From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B19261387FD for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 15:46:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BB7B0E0A85; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 15:45:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lb0-f182.google.com (mail-lb0-f182.google.com [209.85.217.182]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 977A4E0A70 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 15:45:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f182.google.com with SMTP id z11so3995784lbi.41 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 08:45:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:content-type; bh=KwYWdu2kwWfwzUfeiTH9HMW7bBdz9lda7K5Dkmko5LA=; b=mT6HAkhF+tR0QazFh26xU7tc/WEIeNiYLQSuMt8Wj0mg5XUWEeWtCjXHcU90lX7ROD U06njk1kg4DS/Py5US8BNJi3OjdOo4jlJnKuv9pvXA+zaJTHHfdXvQgDynRygjU9Nfbr ilrxk2TXq5Oud6btT8mdwlB/bfLMbrqDOOqip8OaOtXMn+OEQuZkqAoImJh4R4xe8njL UWyURenX5GBBUZ1j/1te1rXTQixrca9Mw0DuD54mo4myQfEhxpWA+oLSSBoyMJw2hXI+ LKezqP9rYnTyH/napgG/0TDQi5u12AXm87C8hJu8FPT/EGdY+9xETRdOGN8EmGEDXAel 4BIg== X-Received: by 10.152.87.228 with SMTP id bb4mr1912973lab.74.1402415132842; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 08:45:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([85.143.114.129]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id bx3sm21862072lbd.20.2014.06.10.08.45.30 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 10 Jun 2014 08:45:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 19:45:00 +0400 From: Andrew Savchenko To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Cc: hasufell Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] The state and future of the OpenRC project Message-Id: <20140610194500.2185800828ffd57eb1947614@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <53962AF6.1050500@gentoo.org> References: <20140607201920.0e0ccd5c@gentoo.org> <53937778.7020604@sporkbox.us> <20140607230815.07bc18e7@marga.jer-c2.orkz.net> <5393B6D8.4080201@gentoo.org> <20140608135616.581807d8@marga.jer-c2.orkz.net> <53947600.50506@gentoo.org> <20140608171543.45bf6ce7@marga.jer-c2.orkz.net> <53948A21.6020809@gentoo.org> <5396106A.4010209@gentoo.org> <53962AF6.1050500@gentoo.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.3.0 (GTK+ 2.24.18; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg="PGP-SHA512"; boundary="Signature=_Tue__10_Jun_2014_19_45_00_+0400_1nS6zJ_2Qlgm6PbI" X-Archives-Salt: 646add32-d245-4e70-9764-4da9e92f8dbb X-Archives-Hash: fa9f6b856de76e885d6aaad2aee67ce1 --Signature=_Tue__10_Jun_2014_19_45_00_+0400_1nS6zJ_2Qlgm6PbI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, On Mon, 09 Jun 2014 21:45:26 +0000 hasufell wrote: > Thomas Kahle: > > then they stay in the overlay > > because people feel it is not worth the effort to fix the QA > > issues which in turn would be necessary before moving them to the > > main tree. > >=20 >=20 > Probably because no one mentored them on how to fix these QA issues. > Otherwise... if that's attitude, then that's just sad and has to be > fixed by those who run that overlay (review, contribution guidelines). >=20 > And I still think that the top 1 reason people run an overlay is because > it's easier than contributing directly. > A lot of overlay maintainers I tried to convince on getting more > involved even said that. As for my own overlay, most of packages there are just either bugfixes already in bugzilla and pending there (often for years) or extra packages nobody cares to add despite bugs. I don't want to blame anyone, project is understuffed and people are overburdened. But even for those became Gentoo devs it is not so easy to fix other people's packages due to quite strict and complicated rules about touching other people's stuff. So the problem is not in overlays being easier, but in overlays being often the only way to have required or fixed packages. Another issue is that CVS is outdated if not retarded compared to Git. CVS was great 15 years ago, but today Git is far more productive for distributed collaborative development. Probably the most terrible issues are how CVS manages directories, renames; and branches support is really weird. I don't know why CVS is still used for Gentoo main repository, probably some infrastructure elements depends deeply on its internals, because I see of no other reason why Git is still not used despite efforts ongoing for last several years. 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