From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 420331381FA for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2014 08:12:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 359A1E0B8B; Wed, 4 Jun 2014 08:11:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fep31.mx.upcmail.net (fep31.mx.upcmail.net [62.179.121.49]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8C1BE0B77 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2014 08:11:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edge01.upcmail.net ([192.168.13.236]) by viefep31-int.chello.at (InterMail vM.8.01.05.05 201-2260-151-110-20120111) with ESMTP id <20140604081155.ZNXJ1978.viefep31-int.chello.at@edge01.upcmail.net> for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2014 10:11:55 +0200 Received: from bkor.dhs.org ([62.195.84.29]) by edge01.upcmail.net with edge id A8Bv1o00n0dyCrA018BvtS; Wed, 04 Jun 2014 10:11:55 +0200 X-SourceIP: 62.195.84.29 Received: by bkor.dhs.org (Postfix, from userid 501) id 3149D17203B5; Wed, 4 Jun 2014 10:11:55 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 10:11:55 +0200 From: Olav Vitters To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: UPower upstream (git master) and 0.99 release -> No sys-power/pm-utils support anymore Message-ID: <20140604081155.GA11777@bkor.dhs.org> References: <5383A0E6.3020700@gentoo.org> <20140531024701.GB3828@rathaus.eclipse.co.uk> <5389BA4C.8040106@gentoo.org> <2990845.EWIttsqmb4@andromeda> <538DB0C5.6070206@gentoo.org> <538E6086.1010701@gentoo.org> <20140604022431.49a453ea@gentoo.org> <538E7473.3000505@gmail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <538E7473.3000505@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Archives-Salt: a1c9f81e-e990-4ec3-a9c3-e55ade97e49c X-Archives-Hash: 081b6d0509ff2c1f35a821e016854003 On Tue, Jun 03, 2014 at 09:20:51PM -0400, Greg Woodbury wrote: > Then, they "steal" a general kernel command line parameter (debug) that > makes booting impossible in certain cases. (Linus had to put his foot > down on that one.) Almost your entire statement here is incorrect. Systemd still looks at the debug flag until jorunald is available. There was a bug which caused lots of output from systemd to the kernel, making the kernel hang. Linus subsequently said kernel should rate limit the output from any process, plus was upset the way that Kay handled a bugreport. However, Linus is and was totally fine with the debug flag usage. Aside from that there are various other tools that make use of the debug flag. Apologies if this conflicts with your systemd is taking over the world and evil evil evil talk :-P References (these are more thorough): https://plus.google.com/115547683951727699051/posts/VYRaUuh1tkt https://lwn.net/Articles/593676/ -- Regards, Olav