From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A187E1381FA for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 15:52:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EB4CFE0AB9; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 15:52:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-we0-f180.google.com (mail-we0-f180.google.com [74.125.82.180]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DAAE1E0A9B for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 15:52:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-we0-f180.google.com with SMTP id q58so7033110wes.39 for ; Tue, 03 Jun 2014 08:52:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type; bh=/LirH2IxcwyDmy5KyHadLjm2RKqV562LnP5nQrT2T2w=; b=OkRXKppW4fvWNjt+GzVTsWBehebz9K2NQotWTeKACDNZyCLDRu50+ibVaKXByCPdzq 29esmUiJhcrjeRC/Cck9g7llcxi7E1V8kv96FyWaiVDtpU0FxJHUNYd3BCcK7hFihll/ w7b8Zr920NXKpiF6/qG1OmI9+vN3S7SS+2pK6E7kHiNy7xpbVXiuJqHwfQVKSIQHCdj4 Qlbm76+rScBddhgHMDZ0gvywTkDCmtF190c7YxXh/HkQjR2UMiAzqH1p8hkDbx5cNYF4 uIDvhlaACakBZb4Y55aK0j45/soYWFjm1phCVzGN6lcJXkcN4OIA7a4Ed1Nrn9zdM1H3 rimQ== X-Received: by 10.194.7.36 with SMTP id g4mr6319598wja.37.1401810755512; Tue, 03 Jun 2014 08:52:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (cpc2-broo7-2-0-cust637.14-2.cable.virginm.net. [86.11.186.126]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id i8sm15086333wiw.22.2014.06.03.08.52.34 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 03 Jun 2014 08:52:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2014 16:52:30 +0100 From: Ciaran McCreesh To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: UPower upstream (git master) and 0.99 release -> No sys-power/pm-utils support anymore Message-ID: <20140603165230.13011cbd@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <20140603174805.2e8b33d7@gentoo.org> References: <5383A0E6.3020700@gentoo.org> <20140531024701.GB3828@rathaus.eclipse.co.uk> <5389BA4C.8040106@gentoo.org> <2990845.EWIttsqmb4@andromeda> <538DB0C5.6070206@gentoo.org> <20140603140850.7b69dff6@gentoo.org> <538DBE76.8060300@gentoo.org> <20140603152000.256c8e2a@gentoo.org> <538DCD8F.2050908@gentoo.org> <20140603154000.6c8e0372@gentoo.org> <538DD1AA.8070804@gentoo.org> <20140603160545.002d75a2@gentoo.org> <20140603174805.2e8b33d7@gentoo.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.3 (GTK+ 2.24.23; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Sig_/66CrLQ07fdfGgXFIe2UGzo7"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: d8f217f6-8f4e-4c3c-b9b0-020cf462fbe0 X-Archives-Hash: ca55072b15a6df044881a93c4ed0118a --Sig_/66CrLQ07fdfGgXFIe2UGzo7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 17:48:05 +0200 Tom Wijsman wrote: > On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 10:09:42 -0400 > Rich Freeman wrote: > > Maybe in these cases the PM should make it more clear that > > there was an alternative option. >=20 > Yes, Portage could also be helped out with some output improvements. That isn't the issue... Developers need to stop being "clever" in expressing dependencies, and start giving the package mangler explicit information about what a dependency means. Relying upon heuristics to figure out what a complicated mess of || ( ) and blockers means just leads to things intermittently going horribly wrong. --=20 Ciaran McCreesh --Sig_/66CrLQ07fdfGgXFIe2UGzo7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlON70AACgkQ96zL6DUtXhFqXQCg3DdrsYE5B34RJzAazkIM0G6z zaUAnA3WDWqHpA6JAxUFc+lD3y+gp1t0 =AcOP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/66CrLQ07fdfGgXFIe2UGzo7--