From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 125031381FA for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 12:09:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8F7F7E08F7; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 12:09:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from albert.telenet-ops.be (albert.telenet-ops.be [195.130.137.90]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EE1FE08C7 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 12:09:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gentoo.org ([94.226.51.153]) by albert.telenet-ops.be with bizsmtp id 9o9i1o00N3JKcCE06o9if1; Tue, 03 Jun 2014 14:09:42 +0200 Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2014 14:08:50 +0200 From: Tom Wijsman To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Cc: rich0@gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: UPower upstream (git master) and 0.99 release -> No sys-power/pm-utils support anymore Message-ID: <20140603140850.7b69dff6@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: References: <5383A0E6.3020700@gentoo.org> <20140531024701.GB3828@rathaus.eclipse.co.uk> <5389BA4C.8040106@gentoo.org> <2990845.EWIttsqmb4@andromeda> <538DB0C5.6070206@gentoo.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.0 (GTK+ 2.24.23; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/8EyJ+e=7j./CunvUa/I3BeU"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: 0c6ee1cb-7ebd-476a-9555-89d5d033aec1 X-Archives-Hash: 3a78a8b69fb372ac4aedbc6814315075 --Sig_/8EyJ+e=7j./CunvUa/I3BeU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 07:35:42 -0400 Rich Freeman wrote: > This probably could have used a news item, as the change impacts both > stable and ~arch users. Are we going to write a news item every time systemd acquires a new mandatory relationship with a reverse dependency? > They need to do an "emerge -1 sys-power/upower-pm-utils" to actually > get the new package, But the user doesn't want systemd; so, then why does the user have to perform a manual step every time that systemd has an acquirement? > otherwise portage is going to try to switch them from udev to > systemd, There is the problem, the user doesn't want systemd; so, why is Portage (regardless of a systemd mask) trying to bring it to the user anyway? > since packages like kdelibs list upower first, and portage > has no way of knowing that this is a big change. And this is where you can make Portage smarter. http://www.funtoo.org/Flavors_and_Mix-ins We don't have to go through all this if you had a "no-systemd" mix-in, where you could simply make out the choices in favor of the user instead of having to document and announce them all over the place. That mix-in could do something like masking the new upower that depends on systemd; when doing so, no more blockers all over the place. --=20 With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : TomWij@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D --Sig_/8EyJ+e=7j./CunvUa/I3BeU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTjbrSAAoJEPWZc8roOL/QMgsH/3hPeYk3NmkfGYG9scfdrdou 7JUxLWglqaFnKINEhAbbvikoq2NHNVwv39lgn718EC3sMoIijuMlnGTGNxsIa3Pr /OT0RAxjXc60vx/eh43Yt7qula7EC5oUHtoJqmAVAAAj89InQv7UN+30eViC8+pf se9UihhjW0Rgac1mKhCKrdRdE6gD8Jak5BEk3fD7gHTJ1/8FxvIzfI4p5vew2BdE iN+I0xTpnnLN0CYAh0VSgpEqx693dBdff1+NoEQv2/2HjXKEBXz4cgD49UyTpwzd 6kfsztTMZGDdDqzUKSjFhDOD1vKmuk6bHF2C9KqAJILsAVszhMtn6yNreURko0Y= =+oOd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/8EyJ+e=7j./CunvUa/I3BeU--