From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C4C61387FD for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2014 20:02:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CCFD1E0C1A; Fri, 28 Mar 2014 20:02:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wi0-f179.google.com (mail-wi0-f179.google.com [209.85.212.179]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BD9A9E0BEC for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2014 20:02:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wi0-f179.google.com with SMTP id f8so1147805wiw.6 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2014 13:02:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type; bh=fzpI8N2qI63yzYj99ttUX2ZPA2kmKaGZ5O1Dh70T7VU=; b=KWEMiMPA5QmhnSX9xybNQBdCkuYomHBQzyLk1mMt2ewiz7cmeKUomKjmvzMcb/xNid NYAb6cTtdcuXjO2UkR+yYPPbsIocwgVsjXIVkWDpCJZH1sFHHWZB+27FtTSgIlcShUWs MiMJWNfEAJvr0LYFUWvrGHeqvW9nlVsGD0ckJLvxaMw34m/MewkPzIEBaWj+kWJOJMHb X7rNBxrlGTzGN4fxVynle+JPEQOpNoI5LWQ5by5Yy6QVpzZJ2fr/4rABsJ9f9BBop0Lv OgufF+SJcJDxzeDAxEy/fxSwshrHhJbhvVn5PYwnVTf3X2RMuD0d7+ewMKlwV18zZAsF Lk5w== X-Received: by 10.194.175.202 with SMTP id cc10mr529423wjc.48.1396036958283; Fri, 28 Mar 2014 13:02:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (cpc3-broo7-2-0-cust157.14-2.cable.virginm.net. [86.30.224.158]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id bi8sm9779504wib.3.2014.03.28.13.02.37 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 28 Mar 2014 13:02:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 20:02:30 +0000 From: Ciaran McCreesh To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC GLEP 1005: Package Tags Message-ID: <20140328200230.1efedc6b@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20140323154609.1625d525@marga.jer-c2.orkz.net> <20140324123619.5fca27ee@deathstar> <20140324152512.45516d0a@marga.jer-c2.orkz.net> <20140325080308.09d349bc@deathstar> <20140325183145.60dc07e2@marga.jer-c2.orkz.net> <20140327035347.6434671a@gentoo.org> <20140328171427.57c24f02@googlemail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.3 (GTK+ 2.24.23; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Sig_/CzucNwxlm3Ax3wd4hCHC_8P"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: 9662823a-0b3d-4ec8-93b0-f7a07885a22b X-Archives-Hash: 48d044561eeb6a08d7c5adb09e85b0c9 --Sig_/CzucNwxlm3Ax3wd4hCHC_8P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 28 Mar 2014 15:46:49 -0400 Wyatt Epp wrote: > On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Ciaran McCreesh > wrote: > > On Thu, 27 Mar 2014 03:53:47 +0100 > > yac wrote: > >> What I was describing is the difference between fundamental > >> properties of categories and tags. > > > > You are trying to redefine categories in terms of a concept that > > they didn't originally represent. >=20 > No one's redefining anything. You seem awfully fixated on the history > that forced categories to exist, which doesn't really matter in this > context. Regardless of any of that, people can and _do_ attempt to > use categories as a rudimentary method of attempting to search for > packages. "Giving something a unique unambiguous name" is not a historical issue. It's something we still need, and a core part of how package manglers work. You can't just pretend that categories there for exactly this. > > From a package mangler perspective, > > categories aren't just "a label" for a package. They're > > fundamentally part of a package's name. > > > From that standpoint, they're even less adequate for lookup; encoding > metadata in names has never turned out well for anyone. Things still need a unique unambiguous name. It's that or GUIDs... --=20 Ciaran McCreesh --Sig_/CzucNwxlm3Ax3wd4hCHC_8P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlM11VkACgkQ96zL6DUtXhEDygCfWDPBcRBA/2m06aXx1OY56rOx wu4AnRm+bVeweWZAS1xecCQmoUv00HbB =ptX/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/CzucNwxlm3Ax3wd4hCHC_8P--