From: William Hubbs <williamh@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: FHS or not (WAS: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2014-03-11)
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 10:06:16 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140301160616.GA1435@laptop.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140301064854.GB3019@rathaus.eclipse.co.uk>
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On Sat, Mar 01, 2014 at 06:48:54AM +0000, Steven J. Long wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 09:31:08PM -0600, William Hubbs wrote:
> > On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 09:47:05PM -0500, Wyatt Epp wrote:
> > > But let's be real here: if I install something and
> > > want to configure its system-wide bits, the first place I go is ALWAYS
> > > /etc. When I don't find it there, with the rest of the system config
> > > files, my day gets a little worse and I lose a bit of time trying to
> > > interrogate a search engine for the answer. And that's annoying.
> > > That sucks.
> >
> > This hasn't changed.
> > The configuration files these packages are putting in /lib are not
> > meant to be edited; they are the package provided defaults. If you want
> > to override one of them, you do that in a file with the same path and
> > name in /etc, like I mentioned in another message in this thread.
>
> The problem, as has been explained many many times, is that the rest
> of the config is somewhere random on the system. But you knew that,
> right? You were just telling a half-truth, effectively.
No sir, I was not telling a half-truth.
If the default configuration is stored in /lib/udev/rules.d for example,
and you can override that default by dropping files of the same name in
/etc/udev/rules.d, I don't see what the concern is.
> I for one prefer a distro to do a bit of work and make my life easier,
> since it makes life easier for everyone who uses the distro. Why the
> hell should I care if some bindist can't etc-update? WTF does that
> have to do with Gentoo?
With this method, you don't need to etc-update, so I would say that in a
way this is easier. Your system-admin-provided files in /etc are not
owned by the packages, just the files in /lib are.
> If I wanted a shitty distro that didn't bother to do anything at
> all, I'd use LFS. At least they don't pretend, then fall over themselves
> to do a crap load of work rather than admit a mistake; that hey, y'know
> what? Some of those things from 30 years ago were a damn good idea,
> and maybe just maybe, they worked some of these issues out back then,
> so we could stand on their shoulders instead of digging through
> their garbage.
I'm not totally against keeping things from the past. It is just a case
of evaluating those things and seeing whether they are still relevant.
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2014-02-28 15:59 ` [gentoo-dev] FHS or not (WAS: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2014-03-11) hasufell
2014-02-28 17:59 ` Rich Freeman
2014-02-28 18:09 ` William Hubbs
2014-02-28 21:57 ` David Leverton
2014-03-01 0:03 ` William Hubbs
2014-03-01 0:18 ` Alon Bar-Lev
2014-03-01 5:20 ` Samuli Suominen
2014-03-01 6:40 ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J. Long
2014-03-01 6:41 ` Samuli Suominen
2014-03-01 0:24 ` [gentoo-dev] " David Leverton
2014-03-01 0:47 ` William Hubbs
2014-03-01 2:47 ` Wyatt Epp
2014-03-01 3:31 ` William Hubbs
2014-03-01 6:48 ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J. Long
2014-03-01 8:55 ` Duncan
2014-03-01 16:06 ` William Hubbs [this message]
2014-03-01 18:11 ` Gilles Dartiguelongue
2014-03-02 16:49 ` Peter Stuge
2014-03-02 17:51 ` William Hubbs
2014-03-03 9:17 ` Samuli Suominen
2014-03-01 18:31 ` Alec Warner
2014-03-02 18:19 ` Rich Freeman
2014-03-03 8:35 ` Wyatt Epp
2014-03-03 16:10 ` Alec Warner
2014-03-03 20:16 ` Wyatt Epp
2014-03-03 21:13 ` Rich Freeman
2014-03-04 5:58 ` Samuli Suominen
2014-03-01 3:57 ` [gentoo-dev] " Joshua Kinard
2014-03-01 23:10 ` Michał Górny
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