From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3085138E66 for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2014 19:44:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D0172E0AA6; Tue, 25 Feb 2014 19:44:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C8D02E0AA6 for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2014 19:44:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from shanghai.paradoxon.rec (p4FDA9841.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [79.218.152.65]) (using SSLv3 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: polynomial-c) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3AA9433FAE0; Tue, 25 Feb 2014 19:44:19 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 20:44:10 +0100 From: Lars Wendler To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Cc: peter@stuge.se Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] News item draft for >=sys-fs/udev-209 upgrade Message-ID: <20140225204410.24d3b004@shanghai.paradoxon.rec> In-Reply-To: <20140225184623.10311.qmail@stuge.se> References: <530C1C98.4040004@gentoo.org> <20140225083850.63b01753@shanghai.paradoxon.rec> <20140225184623.10311.qmail@stuge.se> Organization: Gentoo X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.3 (GTK+ 2.24.22; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; boundary="Sig_/fzsUfGr_4Ea0pL1lPrjUf3I"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: 353e07d6-54a5-4612-aa50-11187430cc7b X-Archives-Hash: c0bf2aa8ac740a37e054d07521bcc366 --Sig_/fzsUfGr_4Ea0pL1lPrjUf3I Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 25 Feb 2014 19:46:23 +0100 Peter Stuge wrote: >Lars Wendler wrote: >> >> - try to prevent most naming pollution of pure udev with systemd >> >> crap. >> > >> >childish. me don't like pink ponies. pink too much. pony okay. >>=20 >> Riiight... as udev has anything else to do with systemd other than >> being uselessly integrated into systemd whereas it can still work on >> its own with no whatsoever relation to systemd. But yes, totally >> childish... > >I wouldn't say childish but it doesn't seem too useful to me. It >seems clear (at least to me) that even if there isn't so tight >integration of udev with systemd today it's reasonable to expect >that there will be tight integration in the soonish future, as >upstream continues to move in the direction they like. > >There's nothing wrong per se with a future udev ebuild which >applies a mega-patch onto systemd sources in order to get udevd >standalone but I think that's probably not the most useful >contribution you can make to Gentoo, Lars. > >Of course in the end you should work on what you like, but in your >place I would probably focus on something else, probably eudev. > > >//Peter As long as it's feasible I will continue patching the systemd crap out of udev.=20 The worst part always was and still is the man pages as one cannot re-use previous patches on them. Whatever systemd maniacs are doing there, it's the most time consuming part of the patching.=20 The fun part is, it's still quite easy to get udev standalone without anything being related to systemd (with the exception of the systemd unit files which still can be used with my ebuilds). --=20 Lars Wendler Gentoo package maintainer GPG: 4DD8 C47C CDFA 5295 E1A6 3FC8 F696 74AB 981C A6FC --Sig_/fzsUfGr_4Ea0pL1lPrjUf3I Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJTDPKOAAoJEPiazRVxLXTFh6AP/RqM3GfibDZx8LVzXR+yj204 7mxQoiyX4LVHa/B+0GyVDdJYCRTnfQqk8+d/uguEWCVgvXuAsc8cCxbsnR+Lqlvm A9rL4W0SaIFIu5el0CvcESdfNoKNyFYO82jcNftQpj+9n36qlnzMEzg8aCd5oEkT jvfrN+9itls7MZx05y+d1nwiDUZscTdGwIIayDFDg9Att0c9au8cwTx7DNin53KO 4tFNwqU/qh/yYRBhNga4PPsaHLVZn15Bxo9/y4q58h+Eu0g+6oRp2ZppIShaO5Pb PAIhVBIy/bQh3tqulIGfhMASp2smT3qXbA1V5aqxxLZ33IvLFYtGOY2eOfMVVG65 RU2qXa1wY+Ck6sw9by8is8dzDK3gvCBQ0iJEYnyqIjKHAsZywXhvmnt0ck1xyiCy 5/QKt93gxoW7VD54oFRMs0NetfMTJY1H/3aewK2A574ttWSeYL76WQLVbbuEnrgZ ck03M16c2NSBipNi3uYpRW6FnkPPpMhL3E21KlsAbrtWy28LTGg2KIZTDb+1+F/h 6mtCskrACKgse5nZOF8JTz2zi3Vh06/Bomh0ldjUgIFjHqSKcXU9pH1pr8EziKZ7 tu8rH3VC37KsOPkE+LOEcT2QJFxZRdQb4P7j809fkie9MSOyQ/nAI6ZRgyk1AWf5 hA3XYlNGQg1mFESqfai+ =ppht -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/fzsUfGr_4Ea0pL1lPrjUf3I--