Re: Assigning keyword/stable bugs to arch teams (WAS: [gentoo-dev] dropping redundant stable keywords)

[Tom Wijsman <TomWij@gentoo.org>]

On Sun, 16 Feb 2014 15:04:30 +0100
Jeroen Roovers <jer@gentoo.org> wrote:

> On Sun, 16 Feb 2014 09:00:16 +0100
> Tom Wijsman <TomWij@gentoo.org> wrote:
> 
> > In this case the maintainer isn't needed on the bug anymore.
> 
> You can't simply drop your old toys when you get bored with them.
> You're leaving a mess in the tree and blaming others. You have
> achieved nothing else.

In real life; if you take someone else's toys out of the garbage can,
they become your mess and it reverts my achievement of ditching them.

> > > Or when another arch alias got CC'd later on. Or when a maintainer
> > > got fed up waiting and reassigned to an arch team in a "rage
> > > quit". And so on. It makes very messy bug reports. Musical
> > > chairs, anyone?
> > 
> > The music seems unfit for the situation, how does this apply here?
> 
> Google "musical chairs".

Keeping the unfit music off, we don't play; how does this apply here?

> > > > If we want a separate assignee for old stabilizations, what
> > > > about a separate project that handles this, or maybe we could
> > > > assign the bugs to m-n or something until the arch teams catch
> > > > up?
> > > 
> > > Again, where is the man power for that? :-)
> > 
> > The lack of manpower is a given by this thread, it's more about
> > relief.
> 
> So maintainers should clean up their old ebuilds and not expect
> understaffed arch teams to do it for them.

The understaffed arch teams want to keep them around.

> Since elsewhere you actually agreed with WilliamH agreeing with me on
> this point, it isn't clear what you're meaningfully trying to add
> here.

Sounds like another context.

> > Exactly, it's that simple; but, it will be reverted per policy. 
> 
> Is the punctuation supposed to mean anything here? I can't make sense
> of this otherwise.

Replace the boundary marks by terminal marks if that helps; however,
the pauses here are as intended in a way that makes sense.

> > Stabilization requires tons of manpower to really work; the only way
> > to get that to happen with high efficiency and effectivity is to
> > bring a lot more people to the table, and let it also be done by the
> > users that already have interest in running ~ on their systems.
> 
> You're again negating the premise that the team that is expected to do
> the work is understaffed. This isn't a company where you simply hire
> some more people to do the work or bring in an interim manager to fix
> a team. The way volunteer work gets done is that you let stuff bitrot
> for a while, make users suffer, and that if no one turns up to do the
> work for you, someone will come in and clean up.

The users will do; given that we already know that, we can work towards
it.

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Tom Wijsman (TomWij)
Gentoo Developer

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