From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A95E138CEF for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2014 08:11:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 588B4E0CA0; Wed, 12 Feb 2014 08:10:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49EF4E0C87 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2014 08:10:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pomiot.lan (77-255-28-209.adsl.inetia.pl [77.255.28.209]) (using SSLv3 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: mgorny) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8B4B433F6B0; Wed, 12 Feb 2014 08:10:21 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 09:09:54 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?B?TWljaGHFgiBHw7Nybnk=?= To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Cc: creffett@gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: GTK USE flag situation (gtk, gtk2, gtk3; relevant to bug #420493) Message-ID: <20140212090954.7c4825ba@pomiot.lan> In-Reply-To: <52FAC142.3000602@gentoo.org> References: <20140211223913.GB26141@fury> <1392160421.31609.2.camel@kanae> <52FAC142.3000602@gentoo.org> Organization: Gentoo X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.3 (GTK+ 2.24.22; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; boundary="Sig_/NUZyQKzuOZavz.WZFLYrJEo"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: c0640775-89a1-433c-bd99-a65e9dd8496e X-Archives-Hash: 8c6f3810db424f4f4d769f4b4832c8a4 --Sig_/NUZyQKzuOZavz.WZFLYrJEo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dnia 2014-02-11, o godz. 19:33:06 Chris Reffett napisa=C5=82(a): > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 >=20 > On 02/11/2014 06:13 PM, Gilles Dartiguelongue wrote: > >> Unfortunately, the concurrent nature of gtk2/gtk3 has resulted in > >> packages that may support either or both the toolkits. To handle > >> this, a few developers have introduced the "gtk3" useflag, that > >> prefers gtk3 over gtk2 when both toolkit versions are supported. > >> At this point, the Gnome team highly recommends prefering gtk3 if > >> possible, skipping the useflag altogether. [1] > >=20 > > Wrong, as is written in policy whether to prefer gtk2 or 3 is up to > > the maintainer of the package. We point people to the fact that > > upstream says gtk2 is a dead end and support will stop (if not in > > fact already stopped) in the near future. > >=20 > > We also recommend to have maintainers support slots for their libs > > where possible considering man-power and to only choose one toolkit > > for applications considering where upstream development is going > > and maturity of the port, and again, this is up to package > > maintainers. > This doesn't make sense to me at all. I can't see why slotted > libraries can't just use USE flags to specify what toolkit they're > built against, just like any other package in the tree (so, for > example, a package that needs webkit-gtk built against gtk3 would > depend on webkit-gtk[gtk3] instead of webkit-gtk:3). I'm well aware > that there could be limitations I'm unaware of (maybe the package only > can build one at a time?), but this is how it looks to me. By > switching to versioned gtk flags, this kills two birds with one stone: > it makes it obvious to the end user which version they're trying to > build their package against, and it gets rid of the need for (ab)using > revision numbers to implement slots like that. Except when you end up rebuilding the huge thing twice. Or trying to live with binpackages -- the thing that most Gentoo developers don't care about at all. They just love their precious USE flags so much they'd shove them everywhere for the sake of it. --=20 Best regards, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny --Sig_/NUZyQKzuOZavz.WZFLYrJEo Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJS+yxSXxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQ2REJCMDdDQzRGMERBRDA2RUEwQUZFNDFC MDdBMUFFQUVGQjQ0NjRFAAoJELB6GurvtEZOgCwP/Ay3UJLDmfSNNa2H8FttpVBf Ap9YsxsyWJrkrWBg1QtDy/ch1k+JczP+MDjbz9fHZ/LKLM7FeRM4hi5Uf2X5oUyv SdbIgoH+G8LEljz6za+4WHWbT1J2Tdh/WsHmWqLSbT0NyGg8rh6J7S4exRRWqdMW 9Hj4crrIH7RMUYnTCbjTAEylhf0laOrrMuVRB9sovvdmrl4YKkbFUSmkxsXaVTZt zCMCu+3tfGkf5qXBGKJ1UoMyDqfyQr19uDZW/H9XUlNWDOCWMGtYmyvlP2yHS/sK /x2lvbRDGGEW8e1mPJ3yl+GyY4Uz71vUn6wxrZc1LLCCW43dOfB4ou3kfGZ+fJ9R /PDW945+iBJ/OPRIJM5Lk14cGpquS5Zt+M/xpL9H3v7w1Exl12sW64cAwLdm6/cW lOJ21cbnibNEFCwnEv7nspD83z5tuJFJiFkATTKzgqQfcyVkRkHymXmg9mCUW2hb DTULNGZBd5bTCmgqc9GjKhuxAweN2VVRKQ8e0LCLD69o4QoiijnfqRg7CBqfvn1d vyl6cI/ON/ZLNuzzVFCY/OyzHPEzuo0UiFBHSvm/3ULlHfmsL/VVqbwSKx0YT17B fO9/xkEuAvaYzjHEetO3vZq8FCEE6NUAPKKIz/WLiGlmZq1AdRJa8dDoFoGP6jjg 45r/TeGgJM/8+exEsSes =do4+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/NUZyQKzuOZavz.WZFLYrJEo--