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From: Tom Wijsman <TomWij@gentoo.org>
To: ciaran.mccreesh@googlemail.com
Cc: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: dropping redundant stable keywords
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 01:57:51 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140206015751.256e13b7@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140205220309.0fc9a913@googlemail.com>

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On Wed, 5 Feb 2014 22:03:09 +0000
Ciaran McCreesh <ciaran.mccreesh@googlemail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 5 Feb 2014 22:50:57 +0100
> Tom Wijsman <TomWij@gentoo.org> wrote:
> > On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 10:26:01 -0600
> > Steev Klimaszewski <steev@gentoo.org> wrote:
> > > There is more to it than that.  Normally discussions can be good,
> > > but when you try to talk to a brick wall, it's absolutely
> > > pointless.
> > 
> > QA team's decisions require more than a flip of a dime; it takes a
> > little more involvement, as well as solid evidence and reasoning.
> 
> Why?

Because QA team's decisions are decided on during a QA team meeting
that happens once a month, just like the Gentoo Council does; it
requires us to talk about it and work towards a decision, otherwise a
statement can't be formed and we can't vote on that statement.

If we were brick walls, this policy would never get formed; exactly the
opposite is happening here, after the reason that I was asking for here
became clear in #gentoo-dev we are going to further discuss it to adapt.

The solid evidence (that it can be misinterpreted) and reasoning (that
its misinterpretations lead to situations that we don't want) both are
sufficient to revise the policy. Without those, we get what you see in
this thread; the lack of evidence and reasoning not showing why the
policy in its current form would cause breakage, or why particular
other solutions would work out well.

-- 
With kind regards,

Tom Wijsman (TomWij)
Gentoo Developer

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  reply	other threads:[~2014-02-06  0:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 98+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-01-28 16:33 [gentoo-dev] dropping redundant stable keywords "Paweł Hajdan, Jr."
2014-01-28 16:38 ` Alex Xu
2014-01-28 16:54 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-28 17:23 ` Jeroen Roovers
2014-01-28 19:21   ` Rich Freeman
2014-02-03  6:25     ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J. Long
2014-02-03  9:43       ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-04 21:03         ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J. Long
2014-02-05  0:08           ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-05  0:23             ` Steev Klimaszewski
2014-02-05  1:07               ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-05  1:35                 ` Steev Klimaszewski
2014-02-05  1:48                   ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-05  3:15                     ` Steev Klimaszewski
2014-02-05  3:28                       ` Matt Turner
2014-02-05  5:41                         ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-05 11:41                           ` Sergey Popov
2014-02-05 11:58                             ` Jeroen Roovers
2014-02-05 12:58                               ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-05 13:07                                 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2014-02-06 10:10                                   ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-06 13:39                                     ` Duncan
2014-02-05 16:55                                 ` [gentoo-dev] " Steev Klimaszewski
2014-02-05 21:17                                   ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-06  4:17                                   ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2014-02-05 12:05                             ` [gentoo-dev] " Tom Wijsman
2014-02-05 20:18                           ` Peter Stuge
2014-02-05 21:23                             ` [gentoo-dev] [OT] " Tom Wijsman
2014-02-05  4:55                       ` [gentoo-dev] " Tom Wijsman
2014-02-05 16:07                         ` Steev Klimaszewski
2014-02-05 21:48                           ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-05 22:05                             ` Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina
2014-02-06  0:48                               ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-06  1:00                                 ` Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina
2014-02-06  1:50                                   ` Rich Freeman
2014-02-06  2:50                                     ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-06  3:24                                       ` Chris Reffett
2014-02-06  1:51                                   ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-06  3:04                                     ` Tyler Pohl
2014-02-06  3:12                                       ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-06 18:26                                 ` William Hubbs
2014-02-06 19:50                                   ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2014-02-06  2:12                           ` [gentoo-dev] " Jeroen Roovers
2014-02-06  2:53                             ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-06  5:21                               ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2014-02-06  6:11                                 ` [gentoo-dev] [OT] " Tom Wijsman
2014-02-06  8:47                                   ` Peter Stuge
2014-02-06 10:03                                     ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-06 10:37                                       ` Peter Stuge
2014-02-05 10:52                       ` [gentoo-dev] " Rich Freeman
2014-02-05 16:26                         ` Steev Klimaszewski
2014-02-05 21:50                           ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-05 22:03                             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-02-06  0:57                               ` Tom Wijsman [this message]
2014-02-13 21:28             ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J. Long
2014-02-14 18:59               ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-15  0:28                 ` Assigning keyword/stable bugs to arch teams (WAS: [gentoo-dev] dropping redundant stable keywords) Jeroen Roovers
2014-02-15 10:41                   ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-15 13:30                     ` Jeroen Roovers
2014-02-15 13:43                       ` Pacho Ramos
2014-02-15 15:18                       ` Rich Freeman
2014-02-16  7:41                         ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-15 23:05                       ` William Hubbs
2014-02-16  7:23                       ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-16 13:48                         ` Jeroen Roovers
2014-02-16 14:22                           ` Rich Freeman
2014-02-16 14:31                             ` Jeroen Roovers
2014-02-16 14:38                               ` Rich Freeman
2014-02-16 14:58                                 ` Jeroen Roovers
2014-02-16 17:41                                 ` William Hubbs
2014-02-16 17:29                           ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-15 22:53                     ` William Hubbs
2014-02-15 23:37                       ` Jeroen Roovers
2014-02-16  1:05                         ` William Hubbs
2014-02-16  8:05                           ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-16  8:00                         ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-16 14:04                           ` Jeroen Roovers
2014-02-16 17:48                             ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-16  8:41                         ` Pacho Ramos
2014-02-16 14:03                           ` Rich Freeman
2014-02-16 14:18                             ` Pacho Ramos
2014-02-16 14:46                               ` Jeroen Roovers
2014-02-16 14:53                                 ` Pacho Ramos
2014-02-16 15:08                                   ` Jeroen Roovers
2014-02-16 18:09                                 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-16 14:26                             ` Jeroen Roovers
2014-02-17  1:49                             ` Steev Klimaszewski
2014-02-16 17:58                           ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-16 20:50                             ` William Hubbs
2014-02-17 18:46                               ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-17 20:47                                 ` Jeroen Roovers
2014-02-17 23:41                                   ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-16  7:45                       ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-18 18:31                 ` [gentoo-dev] Re: dropping redundant stable keywords Steven J. Long
2014-02-18 21:10                   ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-18 21:16                     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-02-18 21:42                       ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-30  8:27 ` [gentoo-dev] " Sergey Popov

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