From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BB5B138247 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 2014 23:16:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 712E6E0B25; Wed, 22 Jan 2014 23:16:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from andre.telenet-ops.be (andre.telenet-ops.be [195.130.132.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67338E0A44 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 2014 23:16:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from TOMWIJ-GENTOO ([94.226.55.127]) by andre.telenet-ops.be with bizsmtp id HBGV1n0062khLEN01BGVMU; Thu, 23 Jan 2014 00:16:29 +0100 Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 00:15:22 +0100 From: Tom Wijsman To: alan.mckinnon@gmail.com, gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: formally allow qa to suspend commit rights Message-ID: <20140123001522.7e13551a@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> In-Reply-To: <52DF6C7E.8020908@gmail.com> References: <20140119050224.GA7898@laptop.home> <20140120035446.063a31be@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> <52DD2E2A.2020303@gmail.com> <20140121155616.6a8cdf9b@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> <52DF6C7E.8020908@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.0 (GTK+ 2.24.22; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/2+0Sa7Y5SXWjzXNP_OzxYVp"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: 57c5f089-0f68-4f27-bf19-513f4908133b X-Archives-Hash: d109d20a82e5d8bd56adc54e57955fd7 --Sig_/2+0Sa7Y5SXWjzXNP_OzxYVp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 22 Jan 2014 09:00:14 +0200 Alan McKinnon wrote: > I don't want to appear rude, but when reading this entire mail all I > see is someone who has probably never had to do it for real. Can you avoid top posting? Had to scroll down to see who you reply to. > People are not machines. Volunteers really do not like having their > freely given time nullified and access removed because one person > thought it was deserved. We take a positive approach instead, access is "temporarily suspended". > Do you realise the message that is sent by denying someone access? You > are saying that person is not good enough to work on Gentoo. Do you > really want to send that message? That is an assumption and depends on the actual message you send to that person; "temporarily suspending" someone goes with a reason. If that reason is to talk with the person as to fixing up the breakage, where afterwards the access gets restored; we're sending a different message. > Vast wholescale breakage is very rare and not something you can base > policy on. Policy is there to prevent wholescale breakage; imagine Gentoo without a policy present, that would be very rare. What do you then base on? > Rich's most recent reply is the most sane proposal I've seen so far. > Revoking access is a human problem and is solved with human solutions. Which message? Why is it the most sane? > Do beware the law of unintended side-effects. Or unexpected benefits? Yes, a law exists; but what are the benefits compared to the cost? --=20 With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : TomWij@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D --Sig_/2+0Sa7Y5SXWjzXNP_OzxYVp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJS4FEKAAoJEJWyH81tNOV9JGQH/iZMCxwyaygtgDxg6XNy5yrs 75QbpgSqOFEI+Bohn/ptGuSrbKF5K3j70NhSVU8VLtL3FXoZXiULu1dKXx6mdwqN 3BBaobZSwmCHWkxcVtlKuXllLh2HWy0kLGKlZq2maBrH3jeA90UZNnoBKe2Xu5Vy LDQ/AEn67F/nAx5Ex78Vwmkd4mL/Pv7fDjAsvalOykJH2qVa4H8XtBJzWbAcyYqr wl2M/To6bYGBxYMJ/gE+A8EkTqTnV5zb1t2Bp9SZ/CRX86+QB5YQA90w12C+o6mc CGjhqVvSXcagW4oPpRl14Jt5kNssDyb1zKi2BtaJLw05KmJ4Xs1HcKVBxzRVIIg= =f5Du -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/2+0Sa7Y5SXWjzXNP_OzxYVp--