From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06A4E138247 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 16:58:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0E450E0A65; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 16:58:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from albert.telenet-ops.be (albert.telenet-ops.be [195.130.137.90]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05689E09FB for ; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 16:58:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from TOMWIJ-GENTOO ([94.226.55.127]) by albert.telenet-ops.be with bizsmtp id EGyK1n01b2khLEN06GyKRk; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 17:58:19 +0100 Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 17:57:22 +0100 From: Tom Wijsman To: pinkbyte@gentoo.org Cc: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: revisiting our stabilization policy Message-ID: <20140115175722.27b76cb7@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> In-Reply-To: <52D67208.1070103@gentoo.org> References: <20140114213719.GA2684@laptop.home> <52D5B2CA.5030407@gentoo.org> <20140114223312.GA3337@laptop.home> <52D5BDAD.4030808@gentoo.org> <20140114231113.GA3393@laptop.home> <52D5DAB6.1000609@gentoo.org> <20140115020802.700b1568@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> <52D5E03C.3010900@gentoo.org> <20140115022337.4336618d@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> <52D5E60A.80600@gentoo.org> <20140115020934.GA3886@laptop.home> <20140115034209.73125eb3@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> <52D67208.1070103@gentoo.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.0 (GTK+ 2.24.22; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/gC=xbvf8w521kR.4___I5qw"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: f6ac3bf0-e8bd-4d7d-957f-62efcff57f6b X-Archives-Hash: 0b4cbd305e1c0047ca818138eeb2f690 --Sig_/gC=xbvf8w521kR.4___I5qw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 15 Jan 2014 15:33:28 +0400 Sergey Popov wrote: > 15.01.2014 06:42, Tom Wijsman =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=88=D0=B5=D1=82: > > And for that occasional mis-guess, *boohoo*, the user can just file > > a bug; which ironically even happens occasionally for stable > > packages. >=20 > If we blindly approves increasing of such mis-guesses, then our QA > level in arch teams will down below the apropriate level IMO. And > this is not good first of all for our stable users. What I'm saying is that even on arch team stabilized ebuilds bugs getting filed happens as well; so, it happening for a maintainer stabilized ebuild wouldn't be so problematic from that perspective. But, indeed, it depends on which arch team procedure efforts the maintainer actually applies; on an own arch it is quite possible for the maintainer to be near the QA level of the arch team, whereas not having access to a certain architecture can indeed become problematic. So, for the arches the maintainers do have, it depends on what the maintainers do as much as what the arch teams do; and to be realistic arch teams might not always do everything as intended, especially under time pressure. In my opinion, a maintainer would even spend more time. As for arches the maintainer does not have, the available machines might be usable; though the doubt is whether they have enough power. Most of this discussion is hypothetical assuming stabilization stays (or continues to grow to be more) problematic; who knows we might get to see the opposite effect that this thread yields some new arch team members, which could make what we've discussed here not necessary in the short term run. It is clear everyone wants to hold on to the arch teams. --=20 With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : TomWij@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D --Sig_/gC=xbvf8w521kR.4___I5qw Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJS1r3yAAoJEJWyH81tNOV9J0YH/0gQxCtfz55OSuS23NJc/s3W R7pCPZwqRKEU8Kg/feNYUg/JBzKea7VTBg6FDnJ+YioPZRMmnp32ruTNxGGTMvMj wREBaFyEh/ZsrbSahvrXkbwcv3mZurxZ+32SrvpE2k7ByTroJxasK3g1YOJFS4lB xBmvHFL91iSC0sSWgJqIDLGYnqaQLKlyTXG1zqTp9oJk1pqh74ga/ENe8FxuPitM zpik/sx4q6M4KBGaiLfjmvx4yKqeHXC8O72icXFcEQw883fZmb84qzRM9pYxHM/h Hyzr/cf0vwm0NvFKjh4xR3eZoJdbvzZqR+qJXAadPjXWtVQL82rQsM275umx1Js= =uw2X -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/gC=xbvf8w521kR.4___I5qw--