From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89F1F138247 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 01:14:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 008DAE0AA7; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 01:14:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from juliette.telenet-ops.be (juliette.telenet-ops.be [195.130.137.74]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D72C1E09B2 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 01:14:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from TOMWIJ-GENTOO ([94.226.55.127]) by juliette.telenet-ops.be with bizsmtp id E1Ei1n0052khLEN061Ei0R; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 02:14:42 +0100 Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 02:13:46 +0100 From: Tom Wijsman To: mjo@gentoo.org Cc: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: revisiting our stabilization policy Message-ID: <20140115021346.577febd7@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> In-Reply-To: <52D5DB56.8070508@gentoo.org> References: <20140114213719.GA2684@laptop.home> <52D5B2CA.5030407@gentoo.org> <20140114223312.GA3337@laptop.home> <52D5BDAD.4030808@gentoo.org> <20140115011341.6c8395bf@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> <52D5DB56.8070508@gentoo.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.0 (GTK+ 2.24.22; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/jEzwIeGXrxcDc307z+2lvpM"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: 0f2e2a22-faad-473d-8912-f30a6ce928f2 X-Archives-Hash: b0261e0b942cebfa0b3f07ff6ecc7724 --Sig_/jEzwIeGXrxcDc307z+2lvpM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 14 Jan 2014 19:50:30 -0500 Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 01/14/2014 07:13 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote: > >> > >> For users, both options are worse than the status quo. > >=20 > > When you do nothing then things are bound to get worse, under the > > assumption that manpower doesn't change as well as the assumption > > that the queue fills faster than stabilization bugs get added to it. > >=20 > > As a result of this, stable will eventually become broken. It is up > > to you as well as us whether to consider it to be broken right now. > > Will it be in a month from now? What about in a year? > >=20 > > Will we wait for hell? Or try to prepare and/or fix it now? > >=20 > > Maybe there are other options if these can be deemed as being worse. > >=20 >=20 > As I mentioned in a reply to William, right now I can decide when > stuff is broken and keyword the newer versions. As in the mail I send seconds ago, I could complete this sentence with "... because I know stabilaziton has lagged / worsened"; but how does the user know of that? If we keep things the same we might consider to bring out a news item to at least make them aware of this, that news item might even be useful to attract new arch testers at the same time. > The proposal is to force me onto the new versions, which is strictly > worse from my perspective. > > The whole issue of how much it sucks that stable is lagging is > orthogonal. That's one of the proposals, there are others; and staying where we are is one of them, but we need to account for that (eg. recruit more, perhaps a news item, ...) to keep that option a good choice. Having stabilization eventually die due to the extra lag that collected over time is just another way of forcing you onto the new versions, which makes it less worse than you think it is; it might take a bit longer and yield a slow and painful death. --=20 With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : TomWij@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D --Sig_/jEzwIeGXrxcDc307z+2lvpM Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJS1eDKAAoJEJWyH81tNOV9Z/8H/iHBsnY1tCxkOgQYkxYd1GeX yIRrQZNQhVgC8wmeXGj8nTQ3tXXOMkz1wdbrooc648553x+7hjwSeuXzwUwcPkLu UcJ9+7ltWDxjgLvnfdwiIOlh4mIY+VldTbavbbJ6LZm2SVOng6CgLJvY6LzNAk0d dbA4aabNDSYcAaAn03fn/2NWqkkBryWHNe57auAF2Ik1rT/rmdiRd68IS+xxS8oX U/A0pcmG0/HXaBdzjbAEw31Ri9Fe9K9VsKa2a1YK2P2if66w8KkV1aLo5oE/Iow+ 2pzK5mwOrlyBAhqJG7abfs2uIb3kHRJtabqtzaLuZrUf3Qi1aDkpHjC2hb2H3Nw= =q5Ir -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/jEzwIeGXrxcDc307z+2lvpM--