From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60DEB138247 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 21:39:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DF321E0D27; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 21:39:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D1733E0CF8 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 21:39:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (77-254-165-29.adsl.inetia.pl [77.254.165.29]) (using SSLv3 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: mgorny) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E226333F4C4; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 21:39:41 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 22:39:25 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?B?TWljaGHFgiBHw7Nybnk=?= To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Cc: lanthruster@gmail.com Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Question, Portage QOS v3 Message-ID: <20140110223925.791ab7bd@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <52d02d58.0b1a700a.1f2e.ffffad96@mx.google.com> References: <52d02d58.0b1a700a.1f2e.ffffad96@mx.google.com> Organization: Gentoo X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.3 (GTK+ 2.24.22; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; boundary="Sig_/kchisKxGTUs6GP9fOZG__Zt"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: e154a083-cdbf-42aa-9a93-5a2aeaef817e X-Archives-Hash: 8e05f90deb9fa2ba5219f011a077d92c --Sig_/kchisKxGTUs6GP9fOZG__Zt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dnia 2014-01-10, o godz. 21:26:47 Igor napisa=C5=82(a): > As there are more questions rose. See you can't just think of everything= ,=20 > what you need is an ability to improve fast :-) A starting note: You've started *four* threads on the same subject *today* already. As a result, the whole discussion is shattered all over the place and if someone really wants to know all the details, he has to lose *a lot of time* reading all the individual threads and trying to compare and assemble. Please don't do that. Just start a single thread, and try to keep that discussion on subject. > In project like that I can't rush to programming it without > everyone's approval. This part of the project should have been > implemented with the first portage version by it's creator. But as > I'm not this person I'll need the expertise of the whole community. I don't know what kind of approval do you expect. I don't think Gentoo ever was much about 'officially approved', and I doubt we can give you any meaningful answer without prior testing. If you think it will be beneficial, start working on it. Once you get it working and we can see how it works, we can consider making it official. However, I'm afraid many of Gentoo users will not be interested in participating, or only interested in partial participation. What you're suggesting implies sending a lot of potentially private information. Many of our users will be concerned by that. I can't imagine it being any other way than opt-in. Then, many of our users will simply not care. As someone in the thread already noted, many of our users don't care about linuxcounter. Do you think they will actually care about your project? Not that I'm against it. I'm just trying to be realistic here. To convince Gentoo users, you have to really convince them that their privacy will be respected and they will be able to make most of it having to submit the least amount of data. This also implies that the output has to be really useful. But that's an entirely different topic that can't be answered without more thorough thinking. > Let's agree on following - I'll design the system in details on paper > but no code will be produced at this stage. >=20 > When it's ready (~ 1.5 months) I'll get back here and share the design > sketches with you. To be honest, I think ~1.5 month of paperwork sounds like serious overcomplexity. Please also remember that we're very limited on time, and work of ~1.5 month sounds like something we won't be able to read. Please try to think in smaller parts. Small, useful tools that could be integrated in the future to provide a better experience. Also, please try to look for other Gentoo projects that worked on similar topics, gentoostats for example. You may make use of some of the past experiences. --=20 Best regards, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny --Sig_/kchisKxGTUs6GP9fOZG__Zt Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJS0GiNXxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQ2REJCMDdDQzRGMERBRDA2RUEwQUZFNDFC MDdBMUFFQUVGQjQ0NjRFAAoJELB6GurvtEZONaAP/1Rk33NTjWSMgYWrcO3Nymsl Z5eElrZg/xxoeYKl6dkdRb3Np8pmkOJKk9tB+apL6x87q6DMeWvmkDUs9bom0xLW CtgQZHxAh+3zj9AB9gMiE3aiggOE8dqtx9W8GWjgqR4fPfuOu7AstWP6SeOnQvEu TGOZLnVm/kYQRwtnkZ5TbCHk0h7OsU0+RCbmM415VJBCYksZQ0ZbC9T45AwMyPcH esYtj4HcH15Qz3gZkgXC2U3njo/86cJyp7z38a0EQJtbnJfKO8o7wnXZMjXr5lwg ofcpVLIl5Q27iv4m1RSLpnSlLan5HT3M9cSRIk4lKlulLZazaglbuCXGYpvwM8lb SNdWTfE6I8qVVB6Ze6W7FJOBjXAok69lVjgxCrAYKOEOIBdBy4k90YfRLPIdporZ w12ApU7ngsGOMC0vRWezJyDdImkglc9SznQdqOq6iONzlCduHxLu55caLlnMzj0C xWaccAejQidBsUQ5kCuWT+vBB8Lil503KZ9Jocw1GMcqCLdv9bXYbJISNONSuSLX Fbs9xCW/3LUIrtc6E7HA7+/osl/W+ASBpOb0lQbWcVrBRw9PYAJTwcv7WaDxlC2k tRwrsbTkHix4OgpKyjePficE2WUQewKq7pbr2x9VMjsb6IC5zxntDwOFZ4ffpeUQ 9XrGll9PAYcthSm7Vra7 =Rt0I -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/kchisKxGTUs6GP9fOZG__Zt--