From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29037138247 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 18:17:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B4715E0E50; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 18:17:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from out3-smtp.messagingengine.com (out3-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.27]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C2E70E0E4C for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 18:17:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.nyi.mail.srv.osa [10.202.2.41]) by gateway1.nyi.mail.srv.osa (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33371208FB for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 13:17:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from frontend2 ([10.202.2.161]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 10 Jan 2014 13:17:15 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id :references:mime-version:content-type:in-reply-to; s=smtpout; bh=d2VM2ZH4cgdJrwScuIMY9wxddLE=; b=i5H9AVPt4kiYrE++368/iz5QZckM 7Q7J1LuArktJKcROCyQdH4pKCRTU9bxbcUEDXCMavuEX/c9ABW95AESW6eIvA9H2 HF9PQ+bKtjy+hhKeB1JRRwF6QOpUjREDPljq4tlyw6meHxHUr2dVmONHTD6uRMJo SPrj5uX8yrKVU+E= X-Sasl-enc: 5uY2mOb/U3/xP4FtrhNbXi52kLiZB+KxDqMApBiUdVql 1389377834 Received: from localhost (unknown [76.28.172.123]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id D94306800C1; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 13:17:14 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 10:17:47 -0800 From: Greg KH To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Portage QOS Message-ID: <20140110181747.GA8326@kroah.com> References: <52ce4eab.463f700a.4b43.16bd@mx.google.com> <52ce9994.24f5980a.0660.342e@mx.google.com> <52cf09c2.463f700a.4b43.58d7@mx.google.com> <52CF0FD7.8010608@gentoo.org> <52cfe32c.012a700a.1bc4.ffff91f2@mx.google.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <52cfe32c.012a700a.1bc4.ffff91f2@mx.google.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.22 (2013-10-16) X-Archives-Salt: d3f39033-cb49-4465-b1ff-7a9a7b8effaf X-Archives-Hash: be9d08bf37d6c3e9348ba9d60ad2cc54 On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 04:10:18PM +0400, Igor wrote: > Hello Chris, > > Friday, January 10, 2014, 1:08:39 AM, you wrote: > > > Right here is the big problem: you're not looking at this from the > > perspective of the average Gentoo developer. We don't care about market > > share. We don't care whether we're on top for another few years. There > > are several forks of Gentoo. I doubt most devs care about them. I > > personally know that we're not going to compete with Debian, which has a > > huge contributor, or Ubuntu or Red Hat, which have whole companies > > behind them. You're selling this as if you're selling to a company which > > wants to be on the top of the market and beating out competitors, and > > that's not what we are. We are a source-based distro that requires some > > effort from users, and people want that or they don't want it. > >> What we need is a vote YES or NO. If you against it - vote NO. It's > >> perfectly normal, if there would be no NO there would be no need voting. > > Thank you for you opinion. > > The competition in open source world is much harder than with > commercial software. 3 commercial systems share 96% of the users. Really? What market? Last I looked, more Linux systems were being run on processors than any other single kernel. Don't confuse desktops for "all of computing". > 1,6% of the users are shared by 296 Linux distros Really? And what is the number of total users you are talking about here? > You may think that you're outside this rules but the competition is natural > on the planet and Gentoo is certainly competing weather you want it or not. No, we aren't competing with anyone, please realize that this is not how Linux distros and the ecosystem works at all. Remember, Red Hat is Gentoo's engineering team :) good luck, greg k-h