From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73E65138247 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2013 01:00:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6B9A5E0C1E; Sun, 15 Dec 2013 01:00:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vb0-f50.google.com (mail-vb0-f50.google.com [209.85.212.50]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4EEABE0BA6 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2013 01:00:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vb0-f50.google.com with SMTP id w18so2280358vbj.37 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 16:59:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent; bh=cfdFtA9oyL9MlYPEafhaSL0fyGAxtGr4WXuXLkiJX3Q=; b=RovIbhO34VbZppUc+Ysc4dTjVHHSf8JPxmNB7UqHXlT9elmgbEX//MNLNNF90g1t3c NN3zSvi7I1qONnX7865P63ji6fhDiA/plwVluVL0AqQFrJSEVf2/Arg1SYLr/DDo90gW 34m3p8/IzUtc6k7PD3ivEFIApaIkcjfL5mJzM7bcNQ8JmhIVwRrtkIJneLsAXFU6FXXZ i9NwGfYEn64CE2P1ZYLugFSpU9Bw2Sd7UgP1GbwiSoKAoxd59qaNv6i6nutYal8sNdbN 2+xFSeEq+yYRLWqL2vnVBOBJC9KWlG/8S7wQdl65qon9rDgl6yhDjX8+xxKQlAXH48mV A75Q== X-Received: by 10.221.39.195 with SMTP id tn3mr5151640vcb.2.1387069199466; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 16:59:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from linux1 (cpe-76-187-91-128.tx.res.rr.com. [76.187.91.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id tf4sm13074008vdc.12.2013.12.14.16.59.56 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 14 Dec 2013 16:59:58 -0800 (PST) Sender: William Hubbs Received: by linux1 (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 14 Dec 2013 18:59:50 -0600 Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 18:59:50 -0600 From: William Hubbs To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc 0.12 - netifrc/newnet mix-up Message-ID: <20131215005950.GA27896@linux1> Mail-Followup-To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org References: <529CFAA1.7080608@gentoo.org> <20131203211130.GA31972@linux1> <52A2B788.3040409@gentoo.org> <20131208222552.GA22567@linux1> <52A5D89A.4080506@gentoo.org> <52A62062.9030109@gentoo.org> <20131211025755.GA23458@linux1> <20131214172410.GD5364@server> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="45Z9DzgjV8m4Oswq" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20131214172410.GD5364@server> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Archives-Salt: b6c0163c-6ab3-47cc-bcc2-84d363a6410c X-Archives-Hash: 0a0098daa9cf35d4ffb0dc4cba6f3cfa --45Z9DzgjV8m4Oswq Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You make some good points. I'll answer your questions as best as I can, but we can consider this thread closed. I will not try to put the virtual in, but I will come back to the list soon and start another thread. In a nutshell, our networking is a beast, and we should try to simplify it some how imo. I'll write out my thoughts about that when I start the other thread. On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 11:24:10AM -0600, mingdao wrote: > (1) What is "the new network stack" provided by the newnet USE flag? That consists of the network and staticroute scripts which are part of OpenRC. The network script sets up interfaces and configures static addresses only; it will allow you to run any command at any point in the process of doing this. What some people on Gentoo do not like about it is it is all or nothing. You can't start/stop/depend on a single interface. The staticroute script is used to configure multiple static routes once the network script has set up the static addresses. =20 > (2) Why is dhcpcd referred to as a "network manager" in the same context = as > wicd, networkmanager, connman, etc? In the sense that dhcpcd is not suffi= cient > for security protected wireless alone, as is, say, wicd; and is not a > replacement for true "network manager" apps. DHCP client !=3D network man= ager > app =20 This is a good point, so I will drop putting dhcpcd on the list. > (3) Is udhcpc provided by busybox not sufficient in lieu of dhcpcd for st= age3?=20 I think udhcpc is what you get in stage 3; if dhcpcd is there, I have no idea how it is getting there. William --45Z9DzgjV8m4Oswq Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlKs/wYACgkQblQW9DDEZTgx+QCfTwnEqF9rooEkQ344qatLS76J QtwAnAh2hC6TnqrxQrQMImvA9sNoBm8x =HRsm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --45Z9DzgjV8m4Oswq--