Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc 0.12 - netifrc/newnet mix-up

[William Hubbs <williamh@gentoo.org>]

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On Wed, Dec 04, 2013 at 07:17:45PM -0500, Mike Gilbert wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 6:45 PM, Patrick Lauer <patrick@gentoo.org> wrote:
> > On 12/05/2013 05:30 AM, Mike Gilbert wrote:
> >> On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 4:25 PM, William Hubbs <williamh@gentoo.org> wrote:
> >>> On Wed, Dec 04, 2013 at 06:46:36PM +0200, Samuli Suominen wrote:
> >>>> seems like a virtual that wouldn't do anything useful except pull in
> >>>> random package(s) a la binary-distribution style
> >>>
> >>> What about the stages? Don't we need some form of net support in
> >>> stage 3?
> >>>
> >>
> >> That's debatable. For a typical install, the user has to install other
> >> basic stuff like a boot loader, kernel, etc. So having them also
> >> select a network config framework seems logical.
> >>
> >> Is there a use case for a stage3 in which installing netifrc by hand
> >> is impractical?
> >>
> > Well ...
> >
> > I remember filing a bug quite a while ago because we didn't have a dhcp
> > client included anymore. This made installs quite annoying because
> > before it was stage3, kernel, bootloader, go!
> >
> > And now it was go ... stop ... reboot ... install dhcp client ...
> > grremblwrrxrmkrxtlmrrrg .... reboot
> >
> > That extra step of whining was loud enough to have openrc fixed to be
> > able to use busybox udhcp, so that "out of the box" most network worked.
> >
> > ... and now people are trying to do the same again.
> >
> > I would STRONGLY recommend having a working network setup included in
> > stage3, so that compared to now nothing changes.
> >
> >
> 
> Yeah, after some further thought, I'm inclined to agree.

I think we would be safe as long as we make sure to document in the
handbook that users must choose a network manager. We could recommend
netifrc by default for now until we can document how to set up the
others.

Once all of this hits stable I want to work with releng to get them
to use standalone dhcpcd on the LiveCD.

What do you think?

William


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