From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF612138247 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 17:15:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4225BE0A9B; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 17:15:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3ED14E0A90 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 17:15:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (static-81-219-167-7.devs.futuro.pl [81.219.167.7]) (using SSLv3 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: mgorny) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2FD4F33F287; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 17:15:50 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 18:15:43 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?B?TWljaGHFgiBHw7Nybnk=?= To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Cc: vaeth@mathematik.uni-wuerzburg.de Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Please consider removing use.stable.mask and package.use.stable.mask Message-ID: <20131117181543.53124b50@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: References: <52864645.2070506@gentoo.org> <201311161346.30387.dilfridge@gentoo.org> Organization: Gentoo X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.2-dirty (GTK+ 2.24.22; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA512; boundary="Sig_/=Go9YCInybQA2dQtCoEA604"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: 57087129-cbc7-4cb3-88f4-ba596ff995d9 X-Archives-Hash: 8ddd4a4a9204782e01b1ee781b0f5ed7 --Sig_/=Go9YCInybQA2dQtCoEA604 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dnia 2013-11-17, o godz. 17:04:17 Martin Vaeth napisa=C5=82(a): > Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > > Am Freitag, 15. November 2013, 21:18:03 schrieb Martin Vaeth: > > > >> If this is not very hard to implement in portage, I would > >> strongly vote to remove this implicit connection: > > > > Not really doable since this is explicitly defined as such in EAPI=3D5 = PMS. > > > > Retroactively changing PMS is probably not a good idea. >=20 > So keeping PMS is more important than usability? > Great! One must know where to put emphasis and keep > an unfortunate chosen detail forever (or, as experience > concerning EAPI upgrades shows, at least for decades) > in order to fulfill a nonsense bureoucracy which probably > at most 3 packages use, currently. Certainly, this is > more important than user experience! And what does quickly removing used feature gain us in terms of usability? You seem to be thoroughly ignoring the reasons and benefits of stable.mask and just focusing on your pretty mixed-arch system. You are willing to sacrifice the quality of stable tree for the sake of a solution that is not even officially yet you believe everyone uses it. Furthermore, some people think that issues are to be fixed. And by fixed I mean the actual issues, not the whole component that is having them. If we were to randomly choose a component that is involved in your issues, we may as well remove support for mixing stable and unstable packages. In fact, this will more likely fix a few more bugs! And something small at the end: if your hand hurts (it's the issue), do you 'fix' the pain or do you cut the hand off? --=20 Best regards, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny --Sig_/=Go9YCInybQA2dQtCoEA604 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJSiPm/XxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQ2REJCMDdDQzRGMERBRDA2RUEwQUZFNDFC MDdBMUFFQUVGQjQ0NjRFAAoJELB6GurvtEZOXrMQANb8lgp/bI5IKimZe2Bfj1K8 ApSTaLe85umHDNer3bpajEByO10l/hPJoJ2FrOhZv+PUOYss/BLto7nqenwRVS2g XDULlNsRzYcD2zVyoUXOlUxIwW66Yvv40DyOKCiGwScbP/h8YXTZ3iLsngON/9Aa EAe6MFksYDQ6dSyiw5vUYfqOdTBXHrG46kKTnaACKsf1CPj2+tvLk+9xSyONtlnB UsU2OVKIxIx94W5/fLb36PJt3yd4LFrz/duUpp8Ls/QwWVTMaJPUjm7+fOQJtB3M h+5J5ZKwwn3v1ffbM0vyvHZ/DP67whB/BeIHteyOU0SWLGuPd1Ll2PfEQfCFT/zA JCbT75nLZ1Fgu2WMAGehZJgAG0oZz2e9ApwGa7y78JsYDKTdJXsr1+/iKQJ+fsum 7E/07Sgx72URT6bstnAgbUcrOK5dqba/O2IV5cv4E+daWVq4UcVre95PCoGSMVuE ZooyW9kBajopgldf8RA9MuF1yYdcgIHPxRlLHYWU1iHmXOW1uCY1fWd0GNCfUr3F 8WKtzbkpd0lO5u72ujh+okf7AdGyTZlXF5O+HBI1OY+9qRRTvUtPFE7/+fa+s17C INwJaqO67ecz8Wte16HRujxIMo+kyaZp17puUTHi+heKM/VmfhHiRsrckDvLMuoC qoIwS/w+BtVeVYJR7mLn =bjBs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/=Go9YCInybQA2dQtCoEA604--