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From: Tom Wijsman <TomWij@gentoo.org>
To: hasufell@gentoo.org
Cc: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Please consider removing use.stable.mask and package.use.stable.mask
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 17:35:28 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131117173528.1905b42c@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5288EA26.5070204@gentoo.org>

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On Sun, 17 Nov 2013 17:09:10 +0100
hasufell <hasufell@gentoo.org> wrote:

> multilib eclasses as a whole were a big failure, both for users
> (enough examples given here)

You mean those failures where they mix branches and thus cause blockers
between the old and new approach? Those failures have nothing to do
with multilib eclasses, but rather by not understanding Portage's
complexity; it works for me and I don't see a problem, I don't mix.

> for developers (cause it requires understanding the eclasses).

Are you able to contribute anything without understanding any eclass?

> You should keep working on the spec, so we might be able to remove
> that crap some day.

Maybe, maybe not; you are replacing complexity by other complexity, now
the real question is rather where we want this complexity to be.

Multilib eclasses make bugs explicit and thus easier to find and fix.

Multilib Portage takes bugs away from the eclasses and ebuilds such that
they sit in Portage; this can be an advantage or disadvantage depending
on how you look at it, but it however does mean that this need continued
maintenance after this feature has been added to Portage.

With the lower Portage development activity, is that a viable option?

- -- 
With kind regards,

Tom Wijsman (TomWij)
Gentoo Developer

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  reply	other threads:[~2013-11-17 16:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 111+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-11-13 10:28 [gentoo-dev] Please consider removing use.stable.mask and package.use.stable.mask Martin Vaeth
2013-11-13 11:39 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-11-13 13:25   ` Thomas Kahle
2013-11-13 13:37     ` Rich Freeman
2013-11-13 14:00       ` Tom Wijsman
2013-11-13 14:30       ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2013-11-13 14:55         ` Thomas Kahle
2013-11-13 15:16           ` Ian Stakenvicius
2013-11-13 18:56             ` Daniel Campbell
2013-11-13 20:21               ` James Potts
2013-11-13 21:22                 ` Kent Fredric
2013-11-17 10:20                   ` Sergey Popov
2013-11-13 13:56     ` [gentoo-dev] " Tom Wijsman
2013-11-13 14:38       ` [gentoo-dev] " Martin Vaeth
2013-11-13 14:04   ` Martin Vaeth
2013-11-13 14:10 ` [gentoo-dev] " Michał Górny
2013-11-13 15:02   ` Ian Stakenvicius
2013-11-13 15:58     ` Rich Freeman
2013-11-13 23:49     ` Patrick Lauer
2013-11-14  5:13       ` Michał Górny
2013-11-14 12:03         ` Patrick Lauer
2013-11-14 12:13           ` Rich Freeman
2013-11-14 12:30             ` Patrick Lauer
2013-11-14 12:45               ` Rich Freeman
2013-11-14 19:07             ` Thomas Sachau
2013-11-14 19:35               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2013-11-14 23:40                 ` Patrick Lauer
2013-11-14 17:51           ` Michał Górny
2013-11-14 23:38             ` Patrick Lauer
2013-11-14 12:21         ` Ben de Groot
2013-11-14 12:32           ` Rich Freeman
2013-11-14 12:57             ` Ben de Groot
2013-11-14 15:12               ` Rich Freeman
2013-11-14 16:38                 ` Ben de Groot
2013-11-14 17:32                   ` Rich Freeman
2013-11-15  6:53                     ` Ben de Groot
2013-11-15  7:13                       ` Ulrich Mueller
2013-11-15 11:08                         ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2013-11-15 14:30                           ` Ian Stakenvicius
2013-11-15 15:30                             ` Duncan
2013-11-15 12:14                         ` [gentoo-dev] " Patrick Lauer
2013-11-15 14:27                         ` Ian Stakenvicius
2013-11-15 13:33                       ` Rich Freeman
2013-11-15 22:39                       ` Michał Górny
2013-11-15 23:06                         ` Tom Wijsman
2013-11-16  8:22                         ` Pacho Ramos
2013-11-16 10:57                           ` Thomas Sachau
2013-11-17 16:09                             ` hasufell
2013-11-17 16:35                               ` Tom Wijsman [this message]
2013-11-17 16:52                             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2013-11-16 12:39                           ` [gentoo-dev] " Martin Vaeth
2013-11-16 12:46                             ` Michał Górny
2013-11-16 20:24                             ` Kent Fredric
2013-11-16 21:52                               ` Michał Górny
2013-11-17  0:53                                 ` Kent Fredric
2013-11-16 22:52                             ` Duncan
2013-11-13 15:23   ` Martin Vaeth
2013-11-13 15:41     ` Mike Gilbert
2013-11-14  0:11       ` Tom Wijsman
2013-11-13 15:42     ` Kent Fredric
2013-11-13 16:05       ` Martin Vaeth
2013-11-13 17:05         ` "Paweł Hajdan, Jr."
2013-11-13 15:44     ` Michał Górny
2013-11-13 16:52       ` Martin Vaeth
2013-11-13 17:03       ` Peter Stuge
2013-11-13 17:49         ` Rich Freeman
2013-11-13 18:24           ` Peter Stuge
2013-11-13 18:50             ` Rich Freeman
2013-11-15  4:56 ` [gentoo-dev] " Matt Turner
2013-11-15  5:23   ` Kent Fredric
2013-11-15 15:54   ` Peter Stuge
2013-11-15 16:05     ` Ian Stakenvicius
2013-11-15 20:18       ` [gentoo-dev] " Martin Vaeth
2013-11-15 20:22         ` Peter Stuge
2013-11-16 12:46         ` Andreas K. Huettel
2013-11-17 17:04           ` Martin Vaeth
2013-11-17 17:15             ` Michał Górny
2013-11-17 18:46               ` Martin Vaeth
2013-11-17 19:32                 ` hasufell
2013-11-17 20:16                   ` Tom Wijsman
2013-11-17 17:24             ` Tom Wijsman
2013-11-17 19:10               ` Martin Vaeth
2013-11-17 19:57                 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-11-17 18:56             ` Ian Stakenvicius
2013-11-17 19:18               ` Martin Vaeth
2013-11-17 19:27                 ` Michał Górny
2013-11-17 19:51                   ` Martin Vaeth
2013-11-17 21:41                     ` Andreas K. Huettel
2013-11-16 12:50         ` Andreas K. Huettel
2013-11-16 12:58           ` Michał Górny
2013-11-17 18:13             ` Andreas K. Huettel
2013-11-17 18:18               ` Michał Górny
2013-11-15 19:24   ` [gentoo-dev] " Tom Wijsman
2013-11-15 19:24   ` Tom Wijsman
2013-11-15 19:31     ` Ian Stakenvicius
2013-11-15 19:36     ` Matt Turner
2013-11-15 20:00   ` Tom Wijsman
2013-11-15 20:10     ` Peter Stuge
2013-11-15 20:24       ` Tom Wijsman
2013-11-15 20:25     ` Matt Turner
2013-11-15 20:53       ` Tom Wijsman
2013-11-15 21:09         ` Peter Stuge
2013-11-15 21:27           ` Tom Wijsman
2013-11-15 21:21         ` Matt Turner
2013-11-15 21:38           ` Tom Wijsman
2013-11-15 21:45             ` Matt Turner
2013-11-15 22:08               ` Tom Wijsman
2013-11-15 21:57             ` Peter Stuge
2013-11-15 22:13               ` Tom Wijsman
2013-11-15 22:26                 ` Peter Stuge
2013-11-15 22:58                   ` Tom Wijsman

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