From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1474A138247 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 22:14:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EE47AE0AA7; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 22:14:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from georges.telenet-ops.be (georges.telenet-ops.be [195.130.137.68]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D307FE09B3 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 22:14:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from TOMWIJ-GENTOO ([94.226.55.127]) by georges.telenet-ops.be with bizsmtp id pyEc1m00N2khLEN06yEchb; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 23:14:36 +0100 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 23:13:40 +0100 From: Tom Wijsman To: peter@stuge.se Cc: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Please consider removing use.stable.mask and package.use.stable.mask Message-ID: <20131115231340.2ecfa806@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> In-Reply-To: <20131115215706.11146.qmail@stuge.se> References: <20131115210033.4fee8516@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> <20131115215333.4db15ea8@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> <20131115223821.463e5b0c@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> <20131115215706.11146.qmail@stuge.se> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.0 (GTK+ 2.24.22; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/f=tcjFnutI/T3ykSED79oOm"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: 95f6ece3-afa2-4420-a283-65889ceff6b0 X-Archives-Hash: e772eb916a64738283e077a06fa49c89 --Sig_/f=tcjFnutI/T3ykSED79oOm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 22:57:06 +0100 Peter Stuge wrote: > Tom Wijsman wrote: > > I'm not sure if making broken (or experimental) things more easily > > available or a suggestion would be a good idea; people already have > > enough trouble as it is, adding more doesn't seem to be the right > > way. >=20 > It's not about broken/experimental, it's about the logical > consequences of an explicit action taken by the user. >=20 > The user must get feedback based on what they said that they wanted > to do, not based on what is experimental. >=20 > Mentioning that something is experimental is an optional bonus, but > assuming that the user already knows that this is the case is OK too. The * in the USE flag list marks this. > portage should say, with as similar wording as possible: >=20 > "If you want to emerge libXt with those USE flags then you'll also > have to set those same USE flags for libYt and libZt because libXt > DEPENDs on them." >=20 > Bonus points: >=20 > "Would you like me to set those USE flags for libYt and libZt for > you? [Y/n]" Which part of this warns the user that the user is about to run into something broken / experimental? We need to add that too, because it is not clear from the output that you suggest. And if we add that as well, it gets to be quite long; how would we condense that? --=20 With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : TomWij@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D --Sig_/f=tcjFnutI/T3ykSED79oOm Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJShpyUAAoJEJWyH81tNOV9F1QH/2mka8k7Qef+SelOTAju3yNG ZCSTQTUabQ4BeHNHOCiV8SNjbikBNheQy8DHTxvJBw+XGyXM2G/Pp9MoK66uyc2q dS7UFCu4Nujw/CfL+8WsIW4I5WFLg/DkLPTFB/hTR6jROjDQCai2NWJkj/EpI43k EhjeKRhDaMfyzRUKTrrVA3omxhxLpbv36ZE4C2wsB2waEPszdENVz25T/64219le wxxdlaWtlt7d55Qv/M83roth44c8w/DDwR8KN/zQYwOW+2n5Oo6XkRPOlBSZ5B6o odPkOBPCKV+2iy+5hu6wq/NM3LTg3pGO08wc42BwXLIvbpPFwxWDj9sxj5vuVCA= =PX6M -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/f=tcjFnutI/T3ykSED79oOm--