From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 393F7138247 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 05:14:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DFBA2E0B82; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 05:14:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DCC83E0B47 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 05:14:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (87-205-50-104.adsl.inetia.pl [87.205.50.104]) (using SSLv3 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: mgorny) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A554C33F37F; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 05:14:43 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 06:13:28 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?B?TWljaGHFgiBHw7Nybnk=?= To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Cc: patrick@gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Please consider removing use.stable.mask and package.use.stable.mask Message-ID: <20131114061328.09136f6f@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <52841023.9010208@gentoo.org> References: <20131113151012.04145837@gentoo.org> <5283948F.1000409@gentoo.org> <52841023.9010208@gentoo.org> Organization: Gentoo X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.2-dirty (GTK+ 2.24.22; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA512; boundary="Sig_/+fmx1/BUb=.KDh_pMGt7W8b"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: b25d6b46-cac3-49be-bb13-a8d1ed0746de X-Archives-Hash: de9d90612ee2b67c1e47fdbb63bf683f --Sig_/+fmx1/BUb=.KDh_pMGt7W8b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dnia 2013-11-14, o godz. 07:49:55 Patrick Lauer napisa=C5=82(a): > On 11/13/2013 11:02 PM, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: >=20 > > It's also worth pointing out that the whole reason why abi_x86_32 is > > {package.,}use.stable.masked is because trying to manage the partial > > transisition between emul-* and multilib-build dependencies >=20 > ^^ >=20 > Why is there a partial random transition with no roadmap, no coordination? https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Multilib_porting_status That's the closest thing to a roadmap. So tell me, what you exactly want or need? Or is it just bare complaining for the sake of complaining? > A more clean way would have been to target each of the emul-x86 > libraries, replace one completely with multilib-enabled libraries, fix > all consumers, *then* unmask that whole shebang at once. We tried that. But in the end, it ended up masking new versions of a whole lot of libraries waiting for remaining maintainers' approval. And the maintainers that opposed the idea now complained that it caused the packages to be masked long... Feel free to convert all libraries, fix all consumers etc. We couldn't achieve that with our manpower. > Well, discussing it properly would also maybe have been a good idea, but > since this is now getting unilaterally hammered in it's mostly about > damage limitation now ... And how is it possible to discuss anything properly in Gentoo? On the mailing list where any serious thread is ignored, and silly things and flamebaits are forked into three-four different, off-topic threads like this one? Don't tell me I didn't try to discuss it, that I didn't try to get feedback. It's easy to complain almost one and a half year after the original thread. Of course, AFAIR that thread went into the usual 'this seems like a shortened dup of what we were doing, you should rather work for us'. > > Note also that setting ABI_X86=3D32 globally isn't how it's supposed to > > be used; the point of this flag is for dependency resolution when a > > particular package requires it (ie, top-level package depends on > > app-cat/dep[abi_x86_32], portage --autounmask-write sets the necessary > > changes to /etc/portage/package.use). But that's neither here nor ther= e. > >=20 > I find that quite silly ... You *can* set it globally. But it's going to give you more 32-bit stuff than you will ever use, so waste your time and space. We try to support both the 'lazy' user and one wanting fine-grained control over packages. --=20 Best regards, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny --Sig_/+fmx1/BUb=.KDh_pMGt7W8b Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJShFv7XxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQ2REJCMDdDQzRGMERBRDA2RUEwQUZFNDFC MDdBMUFFQUVGQjQ0NjRFAAoJELB6GurvtEZOIskQAKkjZwHjrQbec0I8oGN2UCta uQ7t+/LICmJedhtWv670xW/I8C2QT9wuImmc8Tcx7O5kZ+Khu2sT4VSl9EonDw3p 8FMkrJO6A2WA3vbWq4iiaZeBmA8nrmxp5RqfIU/ZiwC+Wu3JCbmmA1NpuoKxo/xS 9t1U6tYo57omK0qA0hmQkLlCQX1BucRmpuwBbO8Z02PtLZgmnW5IPtb8erTVS1dI 4LsAlliwP/ZJsbim8qt3k9gCQ7Xdy90ohfN6cqGn7/WfrIqghIB6uvIg9nueKqdl DZXIWL2cCluSYdZ0BBuMD6gYns1hyMMwyMSb6zKVyGAnk1IeSuvPP/CEkF60Be3K NqYP51AR4c/HYuxIQX/j4kgm5Cx9QaPhVjCHEWvAazwtSWnfl85x7iIlVqvTo/GI p12WbByUUXUSa7lXcyNMtplYc7nx9J7K4uigdq0GfHoalXZ5M8ngUedhM1DVTjX9 e6RuwgBFaDGby8MAYoMNoFA8QSvJL7ef/21vsXs9YeW4WUQ6k6t7npD4XUw6vUwk pIqZEByB+F3V30SMD+AugHW6W1mlb6vJYI1/nPIDJbzuhepVgHgeqOi2K2rOT9Z+ RwtW9au32bZTjr0UsLGxRUorLaOrWwOLVjt0qYP9TnrjJxGgNWx4+8YySNgxtmH0 NCTb0LuSCbDpvJ0u7WlV =JdF6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/+fmx1/BUb=.KDh_pMGt7W8b--