From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF0E5138247 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 02:58:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D381AE0B54; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 02:58:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D5A73E0B25 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 02:58:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E910833F3DB for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 02:58:33 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at gentoo.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.074 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.074 tagged_above=-999 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=-1.071, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ui2robfHz2sK for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 02:58:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0A48C33F17B for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 02:58:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Vgn8Q-0004Ef-Di for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 03:58:22 +0100 Received: from 71-17-69-121.yktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca ([71.17.69.121]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 03:58:22 +0100 Received: from dirtyepic by 71-17-69-121.yktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 03:58:22 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: Ryan Hill Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: Package removal without proper last-riting Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 21:08:13 -0600 Organization: Gentoo Message-ID: <20131113210813.6541d56f@caribou.gateway.pace.com> References: <5280A447.8050707@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA512; boundary="Sig_/1uJ2aGSbRE5pJTErQNeDsG1"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 71-17-69-121.yktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca X-Newsreader: Claws Mail 3.9.2-dirty (GTK+ 2.24.22; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) X-Archives-Salt: cb5a9f90-0c77-44e4-b22e-5c9dd9276024 X-Archives-Hash: 0502485e18fd7e4a23f79162e9d01f66 --Sig_/1uJ2aGSbRE5pJTErQNeDsG1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 10:32:55 +0100 Manuel R=FCger wrote: > Hi, >=20 > I recently noticed it twice, that it seems to be common practice to > remove a package without using the methods described in [1], but just > dropping it from cvs. >=20 > From my observations packages removed without last-rites could be > characterized by this: >=20 > - it was a dependency of another package > - this package dropped / incorporated the dependency > - no other packages depend on it > - there are possible forks or updates, but maintainer doesn't care^W^W > has no interest >=20 > This might work for the main tree, but it won't for overlays, that might > also depend on these packages (because they have a patched / older > version of your maintained package). >=20 > Please stop killing user experience or document this "feature" in [1]. >=20 > Best regards, >=20 > Manuel >=20 > [1] http://devmanual.gentoo.org/ebuild-writing/ebuild-maintenance/index.h= tml I wasn't aware last-riting had become general policy. It was originally started by the treecleaner team to give people time to object to maintainer-needed removals, and others thought it was a good idea, but it w= as always up to the discretion of the maintainer back then. I'm not one of the offenders, just pointing out maybe some people missed the policy change as I did. --=20 Ryan Hill psn: dirtyepic_sk gcc-porting/toolchain/wxwidgets @ gentoo.org 47C3 6D62 4864 0E49 8E9E 7F92 ED38 BD49 957A 8463 --Sig_/1uJ2aGSbRE5pJTErQNeDsG1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJShD6dAAoJEO04vUmVeoRjPCMH/3ydrxMWQa/kE7RccvQgFIr/ Jx39OHX+fzuqu9hlj0NTAtfJ63mi2jMyKbf+xnEIUaBzWWlhBlXtrfbg3Z2AX5ry tt63HEwjyahDzanxxQn1iiLlSVVPJoULdLPqnFtiQszTRWTZzmDuH62gG4BQgXJR 0grLIhZZcSktl8waM7e+Ebaj/fbsiozXexrzlxU3jPRbd/Q91taUn3J+G47C7e8Q X/+4KMBgtz41/faQADtWWL+oKhKEWe0fgImR9qtUBPzrrhYocSg7nnxi3rCaUNX4 V1ssrBBbuuzJHZfzw0uVRzbeKcbcaPzSat/6r551MPl4cluUPZg+xgmfrjh65S4= =Gk4U -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/1uJ2aGSbRE5pJTErQNeDsG1--