From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA347138247 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 21:23:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AE677E0B2A; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 21:23:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gerard.telenet-ops.be (gerard.telenet-ops.be [195.130.132.48]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8979FE0AC8 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 21:23:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from TOMWIJ-GENTOO ([94.226.55.127]) by gerard.telenet-ops.be with bizsmtp id klPB1m00m2khLEN0HlPBSC; Sat, 02 Nov 2013 22:23:12 +0100 Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2013 22:22:37 +0100 From: Tom Wijsman To: hwoarang@gentoo.org Cc: klausman@gentoo.org,vapier@gentoo.org,gmsoft@gentoo.org,armin76@gentoo.org,mattst88@gentoo.org,ago@gentoo.org,jdhore@gentoo.org,jer@gentoo.org, gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org,council@gentoo.org Subject: [Bug 304435] Developer Handbook should document how/when to touch arch profiles' files (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [Bug 488318] media-video/mpv[luajit] - Keyword request on alpha, arm, ppc, ppc64, sparc) Message-ID: <20131102222237.131a6827@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> In-Reply-To: <52657D71.4080009@gentoo.org> References: <20131019190144.7858709c@marga.jer-c2.orkz.net> <20131019194329.41f538b0@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> <5263ADEC.9000000@gentoo.org> <5263B32F.1080302@gentoo.org> <5263C14E.8020709@gentoo.org> <20131021153210.5ffdf4c3@marga.jer-c2.orkz.net> <52657D71.4080009@gentoo.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.0 (GTK+ 2.24.17; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/LVEwPEStzo/KnB1zgpmVQP/"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: 22743f51-3a97-467f-9dc1-b96210122e2b X-Archives-Hash: 27e722f524e7e70dd4144f83ed855f39 --Sig_/LVEwPEStzo/KnB1zgpmVQP/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 21 Oct 2013 20:16:01 +0100 Markos Chandras wrote: > Lets calm down a little bit. Our documentation is nowhere near perfect > and common sense is not always obvious (we have hundreds of people > claiming that the opposite). Instead of arguing in public how about we > contribute some patches in devmanual to avoid similar problems in the > future? Hello, that indeed should be the way to go; but I came across something relevant to this, as I was searching for an unrelated devmanual bug. It seems like we do should discuss this in public: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D304435#c33 (Comment 33) Looking a bit back up, it seems I've got a blanket to touch them: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D304435#c23 (Comment 23) And that's also probably why a lot of other people have done so. Though I agree with Jeroen Roovers as to why not to, because it results in more work (as more files are touched) and there are some arches that simply don't want it. So, I think we should proceed with discussing this amongst the architectures and perhaps council and then proceed on getting it into the devmanual so that we can act consistently. Therefore I suggest that the arch teams and/or the council clarify when developers can touch which files in the architecture sub directories of profiles/. I do want to help by writing up a patch, but I'd like to see consensus first to avoid documenting something that not every arch team follows. I'd suggest we discuss and/or vote on Jeroen Roovers' opinion: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/88609 Prior discussion that lead to this: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/88562 (frames) http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gentoo/dev/279926 (plain) The bug that has lead to the prior discussion: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D488318 Prior discussion with Jeroen Roovers' opinion that was not answered to: http://gentoo.2317880.n4.nabble.com/best-way-to-use-profiles-and-packag= e-use-mask-td16465.html Please note that I do not intend a negative connotation with the word; I agree with it, as it seems like common sense to me. But I just label it opinion because I am unsure if this is collaborative knowledge [or common sense] among archictecture teams; in any case, for outstanders this is undocumented which can lead to moments of misunderstanding. Thank you very much in advance. CC-ed: Arch leads, frequent arch member, related persons, council. --=20 With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : TomWij@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D --Sig_/LVEwPEStzo/KnB1zgpmVQP/ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSdW0dAAoJEJWyH81tNOV94nMIAMgJNUFXHh7eQKTK8VH6mh2u hjvQg6k/m2zPg7rqNIaom5c18MJc7R9Z/B9m93QFztV0XdnyRBXHX+/R0319mtOd PIVlwBJhlVWz8pQwU1F3RQuhCvZMl78xYnEWZQZ/WKGpYzL8A4ZitD/+9Sr2xDQN nfsSVmkoe/WytJG+U1nCgZmmiaLIVy2ctPqPm3kfKdz8PAT/hk54lsE9YQktbRdX P735paYmg59f89maeqpc8Irdo56mprPBtAyENsWJbYeB1NfPbZ4WSvEWVAloBflZ woYocwDv+21uXPnJN5D19bxOn+OLRcfXXtVo8NOaIOl4293jNpeJJilP6B26pQg= =R2Sg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/LVEwPEStzo/KnB1zgpmVQP/--