From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAE351381F3 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 16:20:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B04FBE0B88; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 16:20:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from juliette.telenet-ops.be (juliette.telenet-ops.be [195.130.137.74]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86EB2E0B75 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 16:20:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from TOMWIJ-GENTOO ([94.226.55.127]) by juliette.telenet-ops.be with bizsmtp id fsLB1m00j2khLEN06sLBLw; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 18:20:11 +0200 Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 18:19:54 +0200 From: Tom Wijsman To: jer@gentoo.org Cc: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [Bug 488318] media-video/mpv[luajit] - Keyword request on alpha, arm, ppc, ppc64, sparc Message-ID: <20131021181954.0bbdb6a5@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> In-Reply-To: <20131021153210.5ffdf4c3@marga.jer-c2.orkz.net> References: <20131019190144.7858709c@marga.jer-c2.orkz.net> <20131019194329.41f538b0@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> <5263ADEC.9000000@gentoo.org> <5263B32F.1080302@gentoo.org> <5263C14E.8020709@gentoo.org> <20131021153210.5ffdf4c3@marga.jer-c2.orkz.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.0 (GTK+ 2.24.17; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/LpPzW_VrZ+wgPMYtC=hYZ3P"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: f92688d4-7568-421d-87a9-f6f0734d120e X-Archives-Hash: ad962344ad5279c890fd4df7361c82c4 --Sig_/LpPzW_VrZ+wgPMYtC=hYZ3P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 21 Oct 2013 15:32:10 +0200 Jeroen Roovers wrote: > On Sun, 20 Oct 2013 12:41:02 +0100 > Markos Chandras wrote: >=20 > > No I never meant broken depgraphs. Well for broken deps, repoman > > does not let you commit. If you use --force to workaround broken > > deps, well, then you get what you deserve. >=20 > No, apparently tomwij can get not only away with this (and apparently > others as well on a regular basis). Not just that: he gets to write a > lengthy "apology" that merely blames others / documentation / common > sense, and then proceeds to call me "unprofessional" for pointing out > in public the several mistakes he made. I feel very much that he's not > getting it (what he deserves). This is a first time I mask an USE flag on a package for a very small single issue, please do not get upset over it. If I do it perfectly on other achitectures which do not point anything out about it; then there must be a reason as to why this happened *, please assume good faith and do not see my explanation as a way to blame people or words. You or your comment is not the reason to it, rather my misinterpretation of it. My replies are rather intended to make sure "apparently others" do not experience this again in the future; by introducing consistency, deciding on policy, clarifying documentation and so on... It simply does not work to say to me that "you're supposed to" when that doesn't reflect what other arches do as well as the docs; I have learned early on to not be convinced by inviduals, but rather to base myself on consensus as to avoid people telling me conflicted matters. To some extent I might be trying to be too professional; but, I'm rather scared of not being professional enough, so I try not to be careless when checking whether there is a consensus on matters. You very well know that this is not intended, that I apologize and that I will not let it happen again; so, the only thing left I ask from Gentoo and you is to bring more consistency in this matter so all of us do not have to go through this again. If there's no consistency, no policy for the HPPA exception and missing documentation; then ask yourself, what alerts and/or prevents the next new developer from making this mistake again once he gets to USE flag dependencies that need to be masked? Nothing, and that concerns me. As for blaming you; it is quite the opposite, I have actually been trying to become friends with you because we share some common concerns (bug wrangling, keeping #gentoo clean, ...) but I find it much harder to do that these days running into these roadblocks ("atrocity" when making a mistake because of an unexpected comment, changing the patch name in tinyproxy, getting away and getting what I deserve, ...) that are the result of us not communicating in a professional way. I very well respect your position as an arch member, your concerns to keep maintaining the arch easy and more; I'm not bothered by you, even rather admire some of the work you do. I do speak up to improve our maintenance to be more efficient, to improve Gentoo and to increase the general user experience; then if problems or complexity sits in the way of that, I want to explain, discuss and improve it. When that is reasonably possible. Please note that I however do not insist on it; if nobody's interested, then I am okay with that. What I didn't get here is why that comment is in place in the HPPA package.use.mask; my confusion on this should be clear from the other reply I gave on your example. I'm not at all here to convince you; rather, I'm here to try to understand its meaning. If you do not want to clarify that or provide facts or references; then I agree to disagree with your opinion for adding that comment. Regardless of that, the mistake won't happen again. Thank you for the great work, your understanding and have a nice day. --=20 With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : TomWij@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D --Sig_/LpPzW_VrZ+wgPMYtC=hYZ3P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSZVQqAAoJEJWyH81tNOV9EEMIAK8tsSw3m85IZzRL2SIb8R2V QCHOGuP+NHQA3btXDe7MTmjl5aGFZ37FDgoa3PYlxdr+1cDPFcA4SXJtBwt2uLY8 Tp2iYlzedpzwH1EqUJy2B5CLBCT1b/OllToEpuZBpEXoJ/HJV3SmVADSPASXjSqe VhIBS3YtXsisgUTXXnNYH7g5r0axmPZd6xfLB5GmGemj6DigY/5ap+qdCBFEDhQz go6p0jh7RenZJHLOg/jwgCUkvaTiGLeYmZT9OXI0xkjM7Gq6DffKTHhtsTr/gQfC mWq4DJKc5Mq8HqNQ/EI8xeEuDWW8MHTs1uDA/LidRk+XSNGmr8i8XGgHuhiLrVU= =uuzr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/LpPzW_VrZ+wgPMYtC=hYZ3P--