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[76.187.91.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id y1sm119554205oek.4.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 14 Oct 2013 09:34:35 -0700 (PDT) Sender: William Hubbs Received: by linux1 (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Mon, 14 Oct 2013 11:34:32 -0500 Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 11:34:32 -0500 From: William Hubbs To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Cc: Rich Freeman , Richard Yao Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: converting /etc/mtab to a symlink Message-ID: <20131014163432.GA3234@linux1> Mail-Followup-To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org, Rich Freeman , Richard Yao References: <20131013193232.GA10488@linux1> <23606256-CE35-4596-B6A1-803157302866@gentoo.org> <20131014153617.53b285ea@gentoo.org> <0C26D9F0-5022-4163-81E2-BA7F929CCA77@gentoo.org> <525C03CE.7030400@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <525C03CE.7030400@gentoo.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Archives-Salt: 3ec69cb2-9772-4ec9-920e-55615ebe0db1 X-Archives-Hash: 38415415f06bbe51a7247b4e52884857 --2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 10:46:38AM -0400, Richard Yao wrote: > On 10/14/2013 10:11 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Richard Yao wrote: > >> The Linux kernel also supports far more architectures than we do. That= does not mean that we must support them too. > >> > >> With that said, how does changing things benefit/affect users, especia= lly non-systemd users? > >=20 > > Better support for namespaces, for one. > >=20 > > If this is actually going to actually break something, by all means > > speak up. Otherwise this really comes across as the whole > > I-DONT-LIKE-CHANGE argument. I get it. By all means don't make your > > /etc/mtab a symlink, and if down the road something doesn't work as a > > result feel free to fork it unless you can convince somebody else to > > make it work. So far the only concrete issues that have been raised > > seem minor - pertaining to NFS and PAM (both having solutions > > available). > >=20 > > If this causes trouble for the FreeBSD folks I'm interested in what > > kinds of compromises can be reached. I think a challenge is that > > Linux and FreeBSD seem to be very slowly diverging - for software that > > lives near the kernel/userspace boundary that could make things > > interesting. There doesn't seem to be much desire to limit Linux > > distros to purely POSIX behavior. As I said earlier in the thread, the planned baselayout change will only affect Linux. > My main concern is that some of the configure flags being proposed could > make packages that worked on Gentoo FreeBSD stop working there. I am not > making changes, but I think that there should be some benefit and that > care should be taken not to break things for everyone else. Richard, the packages we are discussing (nilfs-utils and nfs-utils) are linux-specific, so there is nothing to worry about on the *bsd side for them. > That being said, mgorny said that this adds support for mount > namespaces, but I have yet to hear an explanation of what that actually > means. What are the use cases? There has been a lot written on this; you might want to google "per-process namespaces". William --2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlJcHRgACgkQblQW9DDEZThTiwCfXmZBEizylfxgPRTEN3fuTWi+ LMUAoJlz97SCAa/fHgu6eFXOe/12iCaC =FZrJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g--