From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC6DE1381F3 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 18:08:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DF9B3E0E78; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 18:07:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D5886E0A76 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 18:07:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (77-254-90-208.adsl.inetia.pl [77.254.90.208]) (using SSLv3 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: mgorny) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C934E33EE03; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 18:07:56 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 20:07:42 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?TWljaGHFgiBHw7Nybnk=?= To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Cc: TomWij@gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] markdown docs like README.md Message-ID: <20130925200742.64a26f08@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <20130925142952.746c5806@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> References: <5241D0AD.6070706@gentoo.org> <20130924221515.0b7d89cc@gentoo.org> <20130924235020.1393e80d@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> <20130925000715.60391d75@gentoo.org> <20130925003027.1d7f79d8@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> <20130925095726.6fd98228@gentoo.org> <20130925142952.746c5806@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> Organization: Gentoo X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.2-dirty (GTK+ 2.24.20; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA512; boundary="Sig_/hVTm9ML6.8eEWA03KDF+3zv"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: cf93361e-25eb-4fe4-aefd-97a26ce10ffe X-Archives-Hash: 79f4dbd089947f7b9bfb73c925fb5b39 --Sig_/hVTm9ML6.8eEWA03KDF+3zv Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dnia 2013-09-25, o godz. 14:29:52 Tom Wijsman napisa=C5=82(a): > > > > 3) adding some more ugly awful magic that will make binary > > > > packages even less useful. > > >=20 > > > For binary packages a choice has to be made; trying to solve things > > > for binary packages is like discussing something to be implemented > > > on a binary distro, you simply can't bring the usefulness we are > > > discussing here to a binary package because of its nature. > >=20 > > Which is not reason to make it even worse. >=20 > Neither is it a reason to stop progress. Excuse me but *how* is this related to progress at all? You're talking about converting *newer* format files to *older* format that will require special processing for display anyway. Worse than that, you are actually talking about doing the conversion *on files*, that is storing duplicate data. I'd expect progress to go *forward*. Introducing compatibility files for reading non-mandatory files using a web browser doesn't sound anywhere near progress. > > > > That said, I'd rather see people using *tools* to display Markdown > > > > rather than converting everything 90s-style. > > >=20 > > > I'd rather have a single tool that displays documentation and > > > display it really well; people are still converting things these > > > days, they will continue to do so in the future. Some things aren't > > > compatible. > >=20 > > It's called 'less'. Open a bug against it, ask our devs to include > > a formatter in 'lesspipe'. Tadaam! >=20 > Exactly, now this thread wants to make alternatives to that possible; > just because one tool exists doesn't mean everyone wants to use it, > there is no one size fits all solution. That's where choice comes from. And what benefits do those 'alternatives' give us? Featurism, that's all. Implementing new features for the sake of doing something. Someone throws a random idea, let's implement it for the sake of choice. Seriously, how many people actually *care* about reading /usr/share/doc with a HTML browser? How many people actually need it? That is, how many people get real benefit rather than shiny formatting in their favorite tool. Gentoo is not about bending everything upstream provides to match every tool a particular user likes. Improving the tools give more benefit than pushing compatibility cruft. --=20 Best regards, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny --Sig_/hVTm9ML6.8eEWA03KDF+3zv Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.21 (GNU/Linux) iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJSQyZzXxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQ2REJCMDdDQzRGMERBRDA2RUEwQUZFNDFC MDdBMUFFQUVGQjQ0NjRFAAoJELB6GurvtEZOx7cP/3O4UZXW0mUuPBFOSlCp/FuD +54bi2A5wpCol/4ddalUizJdftdrCS5cuEePV+uOmEmpXjSMnIfSn3XpAITcYmpz BzULgPHm1tTch1KOk1wYo3qQZHC18WrT2hzu1X1oojJPoHSG8hLAkyq1ZNpnCgKY opgVLNpd4/asgU2Vaw/aYcw9ZTKAyVFcoupQXpYr7M8CKc2Gui5a6WAu2uVVnxqH ay3qBbPq+9lUXiCoH7kSeMmVF+FEYOLiF2tHrq9WsAOtxM33lOhc9p9Ac0PvsuIU ZQPKwvekjSu6nx+ScEysgdbZhlFpcEeyygwRXJVx2iyikgwhNs1DlRNILO/bB+gH faB0sJLNjQP8rUjt3SV/pZ0fBU9hcXNXJd0OpC2JSBwZa1VzmZ52+6O9ObIS6TTq pWf4Ogz0ZHIxs+A9Mm3bAlY+8oNbTUPxQZeYwXcBfcO721mneQ3Qw3vocBOLB80g qn1AqVOAJVq8zdIrXHqW3fRX1xm7GrcZRK067I9FhzUkbDMmIZHAxebYHtLs+8Ro kPLZsKHJsFBCvILH22nymvN7tIDENBmQqJ2IWc5Roqx0CFUozZ35O97pAWO4TQra SGxy3arE93HnnqKk76k1d4JmHgWjmlFmZhkRmJpCq5th0UvAtroGVQsbnzoJYNzq 6V6fd6iqxWFlUZgfnJeU =YN0t -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/hVTm9ML6.8eEWA03KDF+3zv--