From: "Steven J. Long" <slong@rathaus.eclipse.co.uk>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: [typo] Re: Re: Multiple implementations shouldn't block Gentoo's progress.
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 19:42:11 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130810184211.GA1500@rathaus.eclipse.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGfcS_=zyeX8Whr8U4w4s3ouSbUoTm=hF95t3rd0q=wt60eZcQ@mail.gmail.com>
Rich Freeman wrote:
> In general I'd avoid any requirement to use a non-base profile.
> Obviously using the right arch/prefix profile makes sense as those are
> fundamental config changes and they're all minimalist profiles anyway.
> The issues come when you force users to use non-minimalist profiles
> where we start forcing packages/decisions the users don't agree with.
> (And yes, I realize the whole thread is about forcing a decision users
> don't agree with - but we don't have much choice there.)
That's the point though: given that certain decisions are forced if you want to
use gnome3 (ie you must use systemd, which in turn forces a whole set of decisions
about all the functionality you can no longer mix and match) it makes sense to
wrap those into a profile or some sort of configuration that ensures they get what
they need, by default, until such time as they want to tweak things, and pick up
the pieces.
It's also easier for developers to handle, similar to the KDE profiles. Though I'm
not sure why it's necessary to use a "non-base" profile. We have several
"non-minimalist" profiles already, and the suggestion seems to fit into the
existing framework well: what profiles (and sub-directories thereof) were designed
for, afaict.
Mixins appear to be akin to the eblit/eclass separation, and from what i've read so
far most other profiles don't appear to force so many decisions, just enable what
they need. However if a configuration set does require more, it would appear to be
even _more_ incumbent to use a profile, not less, since it has more consequences
for the end-user than simply adding a defined set of functionality that does not
conflict with anything else.
--
#friendly-coders -- We're friendly, but we're not /that/ friendly ;-)
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2013-08-07 12:45 [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8 Michael Weber
2013-08-07 13:14 ` Alexandre Rostovtsev
2013-08-07 13:56 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-07 15:22 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-07 23:49 ` Patrick Lauer
2013-08-08 2:51 ` Alex Alexander
2013-08-08 9:29 ` hasufell
2013-08-08 9:43 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-08 11:19 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-08 11:28 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-08 10:05 ` Michał Górny
2013-08-08 10:30 ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-08 14:01 ` Fabio Erculiani
2013-08-08 14:10 ` Alon Bar-Lev
2013-08-08 14:30 ` Fabio Erculiani
2013-08-08 14:45 ` Michał Górny
2013-08-08 14:17 ` Patrick Lauer
2013-08-08 14:34 ` Ben Kohler
2013-08-08 14:56 ` hasufell
2013-08-08 15:16 ` Damien Levac
2013-08-08 15:40 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2013-08-08 15:49 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-08 15:56 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-08 16:02 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-08 16:13 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-08 16:20 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2013-08-08 16:24 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-08 16:58 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2013-08-09 13:10 ` Walter Dnes
2013-08-08 15:23 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-08 16:36 ` hasufell
2013-08-08 16:48 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-08 16:52 ` hasufell
2013-08-08 17:09 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-08 17:57 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-08 16:53 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-08 17:41 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-08 17:57 ` Alon Bar-Lev
2013-08-08 18:08 ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-08 18:23 ` Alon Bar-Lev
2013-08-08 18:47 ` Multiple implementations shouldn't block Gentoo's progress. Stabilize package combinations? (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8) Tom Wijsman
[not found] ` < CAOazyz2R+3TANLkeoXhP0LgLS+rOZwjPdCYVdC82DTG1nbri-w@mail.gmail.com>
2013-08-08 18:57 ` Alon Bar-Lev
2013-08-08 19:09 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-08 19:11 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09 1:05 ` [gentoo-dev] Re: Multiple implementations shouldn't block Gentoo's progress. Stabilize package combinations? Zac Medico
2013-08-09 1:18 ` Dustin C. Hatch
2013-08-09 5:39 ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-09 6:42 ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J. Long
2013-08-09 6:51 ` [gentoo-dev] [typo] Re: Re: Multiple implementations shouldn't block Gentoo's progress Steven J. Long
2013-08-09 7:19 ` William Hubbs
2013-08-09 7:26 ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-09 10:50 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-10 18:42 ` Steven J. Long [this message]
2013-08-11 1:53 ` [gentoo-dev] " Rich Freeman
[not found] ` < CAGfcS_=zyeX8Whr8U4w4s3ouSbUoTm=hF95t3rd0q=wt60eZcQ@mail.gmail.com>
[not found] ` < 20130810184211.GA1500@rathaus.eclipse.co.uk>
2013-08-11 2:04 ` Duncan
2013-08-09 8:46 ` [gentoo-dev] Re: Multiple implementations shouldn't block Gentoo's progress. Stabilize package combinations? Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09 8:58 ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-09 9:53 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-08 18:58 ` [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8 Samuli Suominen
2013-08-08 19:01 ` Alon Bar-Lev
2013-08-08 18:26 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-08 18:38 ` Alon Bar-Lev
2013-08-08 19:03 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-08 19:02 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-08 19:22 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09 2:03 ` William Hubbs
2013-08-09 7:36 ` Gilles Dartiguelongue
2013-08-09 9:30 ` hasufell
2013-08-09 10:27 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-09 11:31 ` Patrick Lauer
2013-08-09 11:26 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09 11:39 ` Patrick Lauer
2013-08-09 11:38 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-09 12:14 ` vivo75
2013-08-09 13:54 ` Michał Górny
2013-08-09 16:38 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2013-08-10 19:57 ` vivo75
2013-08-09 16:17 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2013-08-09 20:43 ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-09 11:45 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09 13:57 ` Michał Górny
2013-08-09 19:11 ` Ben de Groot
2013-08-09 19:15 ` Matt Turner
2013-08-09 19:17 ` Michał Górny
2013-08-09 20:32 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09 23:32 ` Mike Auty
2013-08-10 0:03 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-10 10:51 ` Patrick Lauer
2013-08-10 10:59 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-10 11:12 ` Alon Bar-Lev
2013-08-10 11:38 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09 11:37 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2013-08-09 11:58 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-10 10:50 ` Patrick Lauer
2013-08-10 11:40 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2013-08-09 12:28 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-09 14:22 ` Alon Bar-Lev
2013-08-09 14:44 ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2013-08-09 14:50 ` Alon Bar-Lev
2013-08-09 14:51 ` Arun Raghavan
2013-08-09 14:57 ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2013-08-09 15:02 ` Alon Bar-Lev
2013-08-09 15:25 ` hasufell
2013-08-09 16:12 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09 15:12 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-10 11:04 ` Patrick Lauer
2013-08-10 11:42 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-10 11:51 ` Michael Weber
2013-08-10 16:50 ` William Hubbs
2013-08-09 16:43 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2013-08-09 14:59 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-10 11:03 ` Patrick Lauer
2013-08-10 11:52 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09 17:45 ` William Hubbs
2013-08-10 10:55 ` Patrick Lauer
2013-08-10 11:12 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-10 11:59 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-10 12:16 ` Ben Kohler
2013-08-09 13:44 ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-09 12:36 ` hasufell
2013-08-09 13:13 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-10 19:34 ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J. Long
2013-08-10 19:49 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-23 13:27 ` Steven J. Long
2013-08-23 15:54 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09 13:49 ` [gentoo-dev] " Samuli Suominen
2013-08-09 14:40 ` Alon Bar-Lev
2013-08-09 15:42 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09 16:35 ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-09 17:06 ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-09 10:42 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-09-11 9:41 ` Olav Vitters
2013-09-11 11:15 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-08 18:12 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09 0:27 ` Patrick Lauer
2013-08-09 3:08 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-09 9:16 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09 14:57 ` Walter Dnes
2013-08-09 15:47 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-10 4:03 ` Walter Dnes
2013-08-10 6:54 ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-08 15:26 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-08 16:05 ` Alex Xu
2013-08-08 16:09 ` William Hubbs
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2013-08-08 6:21 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2013-08-08 6:26 ` Daniel Campbell
2013-08-08 7:05 ` KDE/semantic-desktop, was: " Andreas K. Huettel
2013-08-08 14:59 ` [gentoo-dev] Re: KDE/semantic-desktop Martin Vaeth
2013-08-08 17:44 ` Martin Vaeth
2013-08-08 17:52 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-08 18:15 ` Chris Reffett
2013-08-08 9:45 ` [gentoo-dev] Re: Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8 hasufell
2013-08-08 11:23 ` Rich Freeman
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[not found] ` <52033A27.2070103@sporkbox.us >
2013-08-08 8:27 ` Duncan
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[not found] ` <pan$f2635$5ee40939$18f8a55$7afd54a5@cox.net >
2013-08-08 8:33 ` Duncan
2013-08-07 15:16 ` [gentoo-dev] " Pacho Ramos
2013-08-08 6:19 ` Daniel Campbell
2013-08-08 15:13 ` William Hubbs
2013-08-08 9:39 ` Ben de Groot
2013-08-08 9:49 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-08 10:38 ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-08 20:40 ` Mike Auty
2013-08-08 21:06 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-09 0:17 ` Mike Auty
2013-08-09 0:26 ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2013-08-09 6:24 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-09 9:26 ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2013-08-09 9:51 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-09 10:22 ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2013-08-09 10:35 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-11 5:41 ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-11 7:31 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-11 7:51 ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-11 11:14 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-11 8:02 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2013-08-08 23:19 ` Greg KH
2013-08-09 0:26 ` Mike Auty
2013-08-09 9:35 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09 22:46 ` Mike Auty
2013-08-10 22:42 ` Wulf C. Krueger
2013-08-10 23:10 ` Mike Auty
2013-08-10 23:45 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2013-08-11 1:15 ` Mike Auty
2013-08-11 1:42 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-11 0:01 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-11 13:41 ` Walter Dnes
2013-08-11 14:03 ` Walter Dnes
2013-08-09 0:25 ` Michael Weber
2013-08-09 5:29 ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-09 6:28 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-09 6:27 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-10 19:57 ` Roy Bamford
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