From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECD6F1381F3 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 11:56:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AB725E0B75; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 11:56:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from georges.telenet-ops.be (georges.telenet-ops.be [195.130.137.68]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E138E0B3B for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 11:56:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from TOMWIJ-GENTOO ([94.226.55.127]) by georges.telenet-ops.be with bizsmtp id Azw41m00M2khLEN06zw4Kd; Sat, 10 Aug 2013 13:56:04 +0200 Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 13:52:20 +0200 From: Tom Wijsman To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Cc: patrick@gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8 Message-ID: <20130810135220.01be1b04@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> In-Reply-To: <52061DEE.8030908@gentoo.org> References: <5203A880.1050306@gentoo.org> <5203B190.80306@gentoo.org> <20130808172340.7d2424af@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> <5203C908.1000304@gentoo.org> <20130808185357.4208db83@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> <20130808202627.4b474471@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> <20130809020303.GA11215@linux1> <1376033807.30224.21.camel@kanae> <5204B6A9.1080309@gentoo.org> <5204D30A.703@gentoo.org> <20130809165904.408a168e@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> <52061DEE.8030908@gentoo.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.0 (GTK+ 2.24.20; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/31HPdHiaspYSS_kndQycyPm"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: f4a80949-5eae-49fb-bb3e-b5dba5b2df1e X-Archives-Hash: 8de9d4b9ffe5cf6f78be117fa4cfe3ee --Sig_/31HPdHiaspYSS_kndQycyPm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 19:03:10 +0800 Patrick Lauer wrote: > On 08/09/2013 10:59 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote: > > On Fri, 9 Aug 2013 17:22:38 +0300 > > Alon Bar-Lev wrote: > >=20 > >> There was no decision to support Gentoo using any other layout than > >> openrc (baselayout). > >=20 > > Was there the decision to only support a single layout on Gentoo? > > Where? > >=20 >=20 > You kids don't remember the past ;) > > We had lots of people experimenting with non-baselayout/OpenRC > solutions, but our support stance was always "You deviate from that, > you're on your own" - einit, monit, s6 etc. have always been options, > but never supported. So, you'll have to refer me to it; otherwise, we won't believe you. ;) > >> There is *HUGE* difference between optional components and core > >> components. > >=20 > > Neither OpenRC or systemd is selected in @system; both are optional, > > which one comes as default depends on how you obtain Gentoo. While > > there's only a stage3 for OpenRC that does not exclude the > > possibility that a stage3 for systemd may be made in the near > > future. >=20 > Let me put it into simple words: >=20 > Do not break my boot path. Again. > > I'm slowly reaching a zero-tolerance stance on regressions that make > booting unreliable or broken, and just replacing OpenRC is about the > worst way to trigger unexpected behaviour. Please state how your boot path has broken. Or is this hypothetical? > > Same for you, is your agenda to keep OpenRC and block any > > alternatives? >=20 > I tolerate alternatives, but don't actively support them. We're not asking you to actively support it. > > Our agenda is to keep Gentoo what Gentoo is defined as, follow its > > philosophy and therefore do whatever is needed to provide our users > > a choice to use Gnome 3.8 in a stable manner. >=20 > ... while still providing reasonable support and stability Which appears to be provided. > > I don't see what all this has to do with an agenda of switching to > > systemd, nobody is keeping you or anybody else from implementing or > > porting support for OpenRC into GNOME 3.8; even if this were an > > agenda, it would have been a very inefficient way to switch people > > to systemd. >=20 > You say that as if we cared for Gnome. As you are in a thread that is deciding whether to stabilize 3.6 or 3.8, I take the assumption that you care for it; if not, I'm not sure what you are trying to reach here. > > There are a lot of Gentoo developers supporting it. > > Flashback to 2006... so it is true, the wheel keeps turning ... Support can possibly change over 7 years, for any software product. --=20 With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : TomWij@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D --Sig_/31HPdHiaspYSS_kndQycyPm Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.20 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSBil0AAoJEJWyH81tNOV9fA0H/1+BZwSD96ygB12rFjBIBozW NB+E+X5CK7nc1thLJ7YBdxWJoZXHx/u2dKALo+gKeUFHKk/BbtcqkuD/m5mtzgUc jictLBQ8CaV5dS+/iOXNCSrjgBkkFOAYewFszpjRxoOKcboWzYIWy9H+jq6mEN8E WgiRpxZvC5ipTsxsafT5Wf0MH2at+gUjm4ykswmSMuybbcUI8I5QHnb6CJgyN/gk 5eMhvs9QpxYAkZoIwSkhKK2HVisxrYmQslEqSTkDf6jpFRXyZk3ZN/swqg7CSlC7 Yg613C9QdwqreDMJN49VJ7TeIUODONactCOTQPGu6TluEoCgdlwbD4dqrNviLT0= =f6Zo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/31HPdHiaspYSS_kndQycyPm--