From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D82941381F3 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2013 15:03:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 71333E0D83; Fri, 9 Aug 2013 15:02:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from jacques.telenet-ops.be (jacques.telenet-ops.be [195.130.132.50]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A4DCE0D3F for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2013 15:02:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from TOMWIJ-GENTOO ([94.226.55.127]) by jacques.telenet-ops.be with bizsmtp id Af2r1m01f2khLEN0Jf2raM; Fri, 09 Aug 2013 17:02:51 +0200 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 16:59:04 +0200 From: Tom Wijsman To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Cc: alonbl@gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8 Message-ID: <20130809165904.408a168e@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> In-Reply-To: References: <5203A880.1050306@gentoo.org> <5203B190.80306@gentoo.org> <20130808172340.7d2424af@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> <5203C908.1000304@gentoo.org> <20130808185357.4208db83@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> <20130808202627.4b474471@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> <20130809020303.GA11215@linux1> <1376033807.30224.21.camel@kanae> <5204B6A9.1080309@gentoo.org> <5204D30A.703@gentoo.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.0 (GTK+ 2.24.20; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/IffyRP0KGS5Zpq+YvArG8aA"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: 37b11bc3-39c4-4039-8e4b-6fce95490344 X-Archives-Hash: 2a5f7c6522d3a8f6b63c3ea3ded686af --Sig_/IffyRP0KGS5Zpq+YvArG8aA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 9 Aug 2013 17:22:38 +0300 Alon Bar-Lev wrote: > There was no decision to support Gentoo using any other layout than > openrc (baselayout). Was there the decision to only support a single layout on Gentoo? Where? > There is *HUGE* difference between optional components and core > components. Neither OpenRC or systemd is selected in @system; both are optional, which one comes as default depends on how you obtain Gentoo. While there's only a stage3 for OpenRC that does not exclude the possibility that a stage3 for systemd may be made in the near future. Since one is replaceable by the other, it's an optional component where you can pick one or the other; neither of both is therefore a core component. You're however required to pick one of both as a core component; so, interpreted otherwise both are core components. Of course there is a huge difference, but it does not apply here. > Claiming that Gentoo can use alternate layout is same as alternate > that freebsd port is stable or that intel icc can be used as compiler. Claiming that Gentoo can only support one layout is the same as FreeBSD is unstable or that the Intel ICC can't be used as a compiler at all. > It has broad implications, which is far from the actual component > usage or its own dependencies. Implications that do not broadly affect you, as far as I am aware; if they do, please state the problems and concerns that you foresee. > If you have the agenda to switch to systemd, and you hide your > intention in the argument of supporting multiple layouts, please do > not hide and state so clearly. Same for you, is your agenda to keep OpenRC and block any alternatives? Our agenda is to keep Gentoo what Gentoo is defined as, follow its philosophy and therefore do whatever is needed to provide our users a choice to use Gnome 3.8 in a stable manner. I don't see what all this has to do with an agenda of switching to systemd, nobody is keeping you or anybody else from implementing or porting support for OpenRC into GNOME 3.8; even if this were an agenda, it would have been a very inefficient way to switch people to systemd. > But do not claim that Gentoo with different layout than baselayout is > still formal Gentoo, and is supported by the Gentoo developers. Are you sure your claim about formal Gentoo is what formal Gentoo is? http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/about.xml http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/philosophy.xml http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/faq.xml#differences A different layout is acceptable for a meta-distribution. There are a lot of Gentoo developers supporting it. --=20 With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : TomWij@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D --Sig_/IffyRP0KGS5Zpq+YvArG8aA Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.20 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSBQO8AAoJEJWyH81tNOV9uTQH/1Jjrd+ooxHniRTu0XkmOqFn iDu0RT789h1X26oaYpE9ihJy+6OxMI/riVaK4wFa3LVy62ORbrQiiFGwq06PUvIi D9MZkLGMOfethPfYBWZ6jlbkAwyoXyZIT7GPm+Stvx3oJYS8+bWt+QfqeYNR9GDN o7tvBksT+ymSFC2tVIul5eiyo4yja2VdPBLUE7c3rM1/I7xvo3+nEvVR1Z3xnoz7 pouE/u8/odFnB1cohhXizWj6PqLuCaucb3rtqjpjW9KYJ+P9W+Gos912cv6+TWyp 5sHA0LAwv5K91hAmN7JDF5vWS93gXaL2kM8P9RtVTGR8HpMeyk8q8ft5VwNDWRM= =FhLM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/IffyRP0KGS5Zpq+YvArG8aA--