From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE9051381F3 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2013 02:03:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 53447E0BB0; Fri, 9 Aug 2013 02:03:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oa0-f43.google.com (mail-oa0-f43.google.com [209.85.219.43]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8C77FE0B77 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2013 02:03:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oa0-f43.google.com with SMTP id i10so6333934oag.16 for ; Thu, 08 Aug 2013 19:03:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent; bh=K6r02/W4z72c2NXEypuKjaNxmCdzq4P5GBLXyiA0x8U=; b=lWHqbQ8rqa5d6MXrRIfYAYAXTR+7A56e/JzwIdJlqmk2+9UjS9x07sEj15AnsiNdk0 qAuorJSATSPwirwHSFT0MrT8h6de2l1Y+wIcRLPJh4NoCigd2zjarp2cslNA6K0ZV8N4 q/93sA3yRbP1SByowhsB/lJp2NwjaunhUab6sJl1CgX9a0L7oQ4r3Bo2d25liCbTiQWi VHuh0o7A/uMPxl5Diahu40nabAZDMBbCGjh9OF1bTyWyYNnnK4dfrEL6XB4TV2RuUWeJ VT76FMZIbddWbUoUNROxDZXMabv87W+DOxTHavXwUMAc8iB54Mas6nObcsX0fKxkpzMQ Q4Og== X-Received: by 10.60.131.104 with SMTP id ol8mr6871517oeb.6.1376013788742; Thu, 08 Aug 2013 19:03:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from linux1 (cpe-76-187-91-128.tx.res.rr.com. [76.187.91.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ya5sm16790058obc.1.2013.08.08.19.03.05 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 08 Aug 2013 19:03:07 -0700 (PDT) Sender: William Hubbs Received: by linux1 (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 08 Aug 2013 21:03:03 -0500 Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 21:03:03 -0500 From: William Hubbs To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8 Message-ID: <20130809020303.GA11215@linux1> Mail-Followup-To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org References: <5203A880.1050306@gentoo.org> <5203B190.80306@gentoo.org> <20130808172340.7d2424af@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> <5203C908.1000304@gentoo.org> <20130808185357.4208db83@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> <20130808202627.4b474471@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="9jxsPFA5p3P2qPhR" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20130808202627.4b474471@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Archives-Salt: f80639b3-3239-4f71-a5bf-635e4281cef0 X-Archives-Hash: ace06320a35c8e3b156881f18757182e --9jxsPFA5p3P2qPhR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline The decision to depend on systemd for part of its functionality is with gnome upstream, not the gnome team of Gentoo. Pacho wrote a good summary of what is going on. I can see why OpenBSD would provide the missing functionality of systemd for gnome (systemd does not, and will not, exist on the *BSDs). Someone could provide the missing functionality of systemd so that gnome could run without systemd, or they could provide patches to gnome upstream to make sure it works without the need for systemd. I suggest that if you really want to keep this going, convincing gnome upstream that running without systemd is still important is the way to go, not taking it out on the Gentoo gnome team, and the best way to convince gnome would probably be to provide patches. All of the complaining and taking it out on our gnome team is not productive. Asking our gnome team to carry downstream patches is also not productive, because they would end up being forced to update these patches against every new gnome release. It is not a regression if a new version of gnome mrequires systemd and does not work with OpenRc; it is a design choice. The community doesn't need to decide whether systemd can go stable; The community would only need to decide if we switch the default init system to systemd. No one is proposing this. Thanks for your time, William Hubbs Gentoo Developer and Council Member --9jxsPFA5p3P2qPhR Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.20 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlIETdcACgkQblQW9DDEZTjnrwCgtNPvu6D8XUHr6k1TP28VARhT 7mkAoLkoOc3U6hiJUtXG/89ZNv7umzdd =BLKb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --9jxsPFA5p3P2qPhR--