From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E80921381F3 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 23:19:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 74F80E0B4F; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 23:19:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from out2-smtp.messagingengine.com (out2-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.26]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A592FE0B2E for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 23:19:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from compute4.internal (compute4.nyi.mail.srv.osa [10.202.2.44]) by gateway1.nyi.mail.srv.osa (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7B64209F9; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 19:19:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frontend1 ([10.202.2.160]) by compute4.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 08 Aug 2013 19:19:27 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id :references:mime-version:content-type:in-reply-to; s=smtpout; bh=rfp/me6i4CYuWY5ovfneqtLyDog=; b=foQPGsz8MtAcVPMU4IO4SRzELQwE KghKM9lghbh8H18b40hWCEQ1GzmFlju/YbEjjWAcOq0iU0CgchSqdM2mCszJb5ZO xX5zL78rUnXApcK/m9v/Vnbrkhr0/zPP5DhJqMste/sD4La3DCs8c2LCEEREGKJT kqlY2DKkUjX+YY4= X-Sasl-enc: g5fPWr1cUcymQ9UDYWWgI46njWyMg/4GtwWhmR+mFmC8 1376003967 Received: from localhost (unknown [76.28.172.123]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 64BB9C00E81; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 19:19:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 16:19:26 -0700 From: Greg KH To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Cc: Samuli Suominen Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8 Message-ID: <20130808231926.GA11724@kroah.com> References: <5202416C.5@gentoo.org> <52037513.1090004@gentoo.org> <52040220.6030302@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <52040220.6030302@gentoo.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Archives-Salt: 3e8f3b02-be2e-48f6-be52-15a3b7b4e09f X-Archives-Hash: c38b563a2d8163aa54b2df90e36b2e18 On Thu, Aug 08, 2013 at 09:40:00PM +0100, Mike Auty wrote: > On 08/08/13 11:38, Samuli Suominen wrote: > > i'm not volunteering but I never really got why our GNOME > > maintainers insisted on staying with it instead of going with the > > distribution after it was clear logind is a dead end on non-systemd > > systemd > > Ok, > > So there's lots of people that don't want systemd. Can't we group > together and have some kind of an affect on upstream? Become upstream developers and create fixes to remove the dependancy either by working on openrc features to emulate the same things that systemd has that GNOME requires, or split things out of GNOME so that it does not require systemd dependencies. But to complain to upstream without providing patches is a bit futile, don't you think? That's not how open source projects work, we all know that. greg k-h