From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FA611381F3 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 18:50:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2D7A9E0A8D; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 18:50:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from juliette.telenet-ops.be (juliette.telenet-ops.be [195.130.137.74]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA32EE09B4 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 18:50:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from TOMWIJ-GENTOO ([94.226.55.127]) by juliette.telenet-ops.be with bizsmtp id AJqi1m0032khLEN06Jqipm; Thu, 08 Aug 2013 20:50:42 +0200 Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 20:47:01 +0200 From: Tom Wijsman To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Multiple implementations shouldn't block Gentoo's progress. Stabilize package combinations? (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8) Message-ID: <20130808204701.3b419e58@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> In-Reply-To: References: <5202416C.5@gentoo.org> <1375881254.7753.41.camel@rook> <5202DD20.8050906@gentoo.org> <5203A880.1050306@gentoo.org> <5203B190.80306@gentoo.org> <20130808172340.7d2424af@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> <5203C908.1000304@gentoo.org> <20130808185357.4208db83@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> <5203DEA5.30004@gentoo.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.0 (GTK+ 2.24.20; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/AUU4q_gSo6gyjMk8IFcyI8L"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: 2cafbdba-fe1e-4764-a828-8056a08516f1 X-Archives-Hash: 25e9712af4968b36afb3ba1693df39b4 --Sig_/AUU4q_gSo6gyjMk8IFcyI8L Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 8 Aug 2013, 20:57:18 +0300 Alon Bar-Lev wrote: > If from now on, a bug with systemd of new version of a package blocks > that package stabilization, it means that all developers must support > systemd. So having systemd stable is a decision that should be made by > the entire community, and have huge overhead on us all. =20 On Thu, 8 Aug 2013 21:23:29 +0300 Alon Bar-Lev wrote: > selinux - if a package breaks selinux it will be reverted (if > maintainer care about his users) until resolution is found. >=20 > as you may have unusable system if a bump does not support specific > stable init layout, you do expect rollback similar to libselinux > issue. init layout is not optional package nor optional feature, it > how the system operates. Reverting and rolling back isn't really the good way going forward, it implies waiting and that's going to certainly make people sad because they need to wait for something that doesn't affect the package combination that the user uses; we need to look at a different approach. What if we could stabilize package combinations instead of packages? Or rather, when during stabilization it was found that a certain package combination doesn't work, exclude that combination from stabilization? This is a concept that shouldn't be too hard to implement; it could even be implemented using existing USE flag mask opportunities, although we probably would have to figure out a solution for those occasions where an USE flag is not present. Perhaps specify in the ebuild that the package shouldn't be regarded as keyworded for a certain dependency? Since it's just an idea that jumps to mind, I'm not sure if this is the best approach to do this; but we'll probably want to start brainstorming in this field if this is going to stay or become a big problem. Multiple implementations shouldn't block Gentoo going forward. We need to come up with a solution similar to the above to avoid this... --=20 With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : TomWij@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D --Sig_/AUU4q_gSo6gyjMk8IFcyI8L Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.20 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSA+elAAoJEJWyH81tNOV91K4H/3kt9LJUAwFGLtd/QksGQtmI 4opQYe7wUDtXuiPkpSm6id4DR03qOk4FI3g0E93uujl5fV88AFBFko1Wf6HSfAOP SfRHtknw/bPavofx2kd8lMYqu2weeW9ZCS9wvXNQISMygzzfq4m1h4n8ATXPKVCa cXDY2jLmjFIRcWbmJSstlGWk2D1t0lYz1yEKIZ79TCvOjTNgRKY4qvkFJOlybNcm THAKq/we/odxodp95PNlG9odYkY9F/tslCBzT0JAkdqRub6hdfT/zjt0+El+Y25T C0BW6tL3XOT4rLOJm/OrI5/CQSX7D838Ihda4qFLzGUkvAWgmRTrCf8HsgKQoBs= =UlCR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/AUU4q_gSo6gyjMk8IFcyI8L--