From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8F0B1381F3 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 15:27:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9D219E0B00; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 15:27:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from georges.telenet-ops.be (georges.telenet-ops.be [195.130.137.68]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73383E0AE5 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 15:27:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from TOMWIJ-GENTOO ([94.226.55.127]) by georges.telenet-ops.be with bizsmtp id AFTN1m0042khLEN06FTNBA; Thu, 08 Aug 2013 17:27:22 +0200 Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 17:23:40 +0200 From: Tom Wijsman To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Cc: hasufell@gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8 Message-ID: <20130808172340.7d2424af@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> In-Reply-To: <5203B190.80306@gentoo.org> References: <5202416C.5@gentoo.org> <1375881254.7753.41.camel@rook> <5202DD20.8050906@gentoo.org> <5203A880.1050306@gentoo.org> <5203B190.80306@gentoo.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.0 (GTK+ 2.24.20; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/kbtUDx20C8lfZS5eRBnMlpG"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: 45f4637e-630d-40f1-98e8-313a4f7e5d09 X-Archives-Hash: 5a78c1d34b46f5e73d191dcf00ff94bb --Sig_/kbtUDx20C8lfZS5eRBnMlpG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 08 Aug 2013 16:56:16 +0200 hasufell wrote: > Gentoo supports systemd, fine. Still, OpenRC is our default > implementation and I don't think something should be called stable _on > gentoo_ that doesn't work with the system tools we have designed and > advertise. Gentoo advertises choice [1]; if it advertises OpenRC, state where.=20 [1]: http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/about.xml "for just about any application or need" http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/philosophy.xml "as they see fit" http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/faq.xml#differences "You have complete control over what packages are or aren't installed. Gentoo provides you with numerous choices, so you can install Gentoo to your own preferences, which is why Gentoo is called a meta-distribution." None of these advertise OpenRC or that things do need to work with it. > Let me quote myself from another thread: >=20 > > Maintaining a package in gentoo implies a few things for me: > > We are able to support it properly which either means that we can > > communicate with upstream or at least (if that fails) fix bugs on > > our own. >=20 > There is nothing "properly" about forcing a particular init system, That's just your opinion, it depends on how you define "properly"; not all combination of choices are possible, incompatibility with packages that can be replaced has never been a reason to not maintain a package. If it is a reason that has been agreed on; then, please state where. > upstream obviously doesn't care and our own devs gave up on trying to > fix it. > > So nothing of that seems to apply here. Why does it need to apply? Without reference, what does the quote mean? Even if it did; the package is maintained, so this is not a problem... Can we please stop brainstorming subjective reasons that block choice? --=20 With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : TomWij@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D --Sig_/kbtUDx20C8lfZS5eRBnMlpG Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.20 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSA7f8AAoJEJWyH81tNOV9FsoH/jak0b9J96I6bLcI7e2X4d85 xKJFBgnn3z6UkAiOtRrJpcOdyUkzPvAZutKx/D9/zt2U8vxc3FCYSPqSp9PSlEq/ ayWRL2kWpLHlEvl5g9S/tUnR3RvkqMksORPcmgl1ga4RlTkUaWrir7KVYcjcgBw2 gc7MXumW+T7Cv+Dj3uLX+XNhJPX2BHASWX2B8vxj7M7cdoSbrXq90qLyhM+DquCl NoYVztVWSm2b1S25jotyHA0FwVb/9Ce7hUU5TSprCvq/D35UzjIcsl6JeHVQ5QlL +eRXFu3s0zPaM88k2EdTOT0/5p81AX9HNHsOJktWVEHH/30SCsSuLfcV+0hfxLo= =NFGm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/kbtUDx20C8lfZS5eRBnMlpG--