From: Tom Wijsman <TomWij@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Cc: hasufell@gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 17:23:40 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130808172340.7d2424af@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5203B190.80306@gentoo.org>
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On Thu, 08 Aug 2013 16:56:16 +0200
hasufell <hasufell@gentoo.org> wrote:
> Gentoo supports systemd, fine. Still, OpenRC is our default
> implementation and I don't think something should be called stable _on
> gentoo_ that doesn't work with the system tools we have designed and
> advertise.
Gentoo advertises choice [1]; if it advertises OpenRC, state where.
[1]: http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/about.xml
"for just about any application or need"
http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/philosophy.xml
"as they see fit"
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/faq.xml#differences
"You have complete control over what packages are or aren't
installed. Gentoo provides you with numerous choices, so you can
install Gentoo to your own preferences, which is why Gentoo is
called a meta-distribution."
None of these advertise OpenRC or that things do need to work with it.
> Let me quote myself from another thread:
>
> > Maintaining a package in gentoo implies a few things for me:
> > We are able to support it properly which either means that we can
> > communicate with upstream or at least (if that fails) fix bugs on
> > our own.
>
> There is nothing "properly" about forcing a particular init system,
That's just your opinion, it depends on how you define "properly"; not
all combination of choices are possible, incompatibility with packages
that can be replaced has never been a reason to not maintain a package.
If it is a reason that has been agreed on; then, please state where.
> upstream obviously doesn't care and our own devs gave up on trying to
> fix it.
>
> So nothing of that seems to apply here.
Why does it need to apply? Without reference, what does the quote mean?
Even if it did; the package is maintained, so this is not a problem...
Can we please stop brainstorming subjective reasons that block choice?
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2013-08-07 12:45 [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8 Michael Weber
2013-08-07 13:14 ` Alexandre Rostovtsev
2013-08-07 13:56 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-07 15:22 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-07 23:49 ` Patrick Lauer
2013-08-08 2:51 ` Alex Alexander
2013-08-08 9:29 ` hasufell
2013-08-08 9:43 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-08 11:19 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-08 11:28 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-08 10:05 ` Michał Górny
2013-08-08 10:30 ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-08 14:01 ` Fabio Erculiani
2013-08-08 14:10 ` Alon Bar-Lev
2013-08-08 14:30 ` Fabio Erculiani
2013-08-08 14:45 ` Michał Górny
2013-08-08 14:17 ` Patrick Lauer
2013-08-08 14:34 ` Ben Kohler
2013-08-08 14:56 ` hasufell
2013-08-08 15:16 ` Damien Levac
2013-08-08 15:40 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2013-08-08 15:49 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-08 15:56 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-08 16:02 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-08 16:13 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-08 16:20 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2013-08-08 16:24 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-08 16:58 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2013-08-09 13:10 ` Walter Dnes
2013-08-08 15:23 ` Tom Wijsman [this message]
2013-08-08 16:36 ` hasufell
2013-08-08 16:48 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-08 16:52 ` hasufell
2013-08-08 17:09 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-08 17:57 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-08 16:53 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-08 17:41 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-08 17:57 ` Alon Bar-Lev
2013-08-08 18:08 ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-08 18:23 ` Alon Bar-Lev
2013-08-08 18:47 ` Multiple implementations shouldn't block Gentoo's progress. Stabilize package combinations? (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8) Tom Wijsman
[not found] ` < CAOazyz2R+3TANLkeoXhP0LgLS+rOZwjPdCYVdC82DTG1nbri-w@mail.gmail.com>
2013-08-08 18:57 ` Alon Bar-Lev
2013-08-08 19:09 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-08 19:11 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09 1:05 ` [gentoo-dev] Re: Multiple implementations shouldn't block Gentoo's progress. Stabilize package combinations? Zac Medico
2013-08-09 1:18 ` Dustin C. Hatch
2013-08-09 5:39 ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-09 6:42 ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J. Long
2013-08-09 6:51 ` [gentoo-dev] [typo] Re: Re: Multiple implementations shouldn't block Gentoo's progress Steven J. Long
2013-08-09 7:19 ` William Hubbs
2013-08-09 7:26 ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-09 10:50 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-10 18:42 ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J. Long
2013-08-11 1:53 ` Rich Freeman
[not found] ` < CAGfcS_=zyeX8Whr8U4w4s3ouSbUoTm=hF95t3rd0q=wt60eZcQ@mail.gmail.com>
[not found] ` < 20130810184211.GA1500@rathaus.eclipse.co.uk>
2013-08-11 2:04 ` Duncan
2013-08-09 8:46 ` [gentoo-dev] Re: Multiple implementations shouldn't block Gentoo's progress. Stabilize package combinations? Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09 8:58 ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-09 9:53 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-08 18:58 ` [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8 Samuli Suominen
2013-08-08 19:01 ` Alon Bar-Lev
2013-08-08 18:26 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-08 18:38 ` Alon Bar-Lev
2013-08-08 19:03 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-08 19:02 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-08 19:22 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09 2:03 ` William Hubbs
2013-08-09 7:36 ` Gilles Dartiguelongue
2013-08-09 9:30 ` hasufell
2013-08-09 10:27 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-09 11:31 ` Patrick Lauer
2013-08-09 11:26 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09 11:39 ` Patrick Lauer
2013-08-09 11:38 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-09 12:14 ` vivo75
2013-08-09 13:54 ` Michał Górny
2013-08-09 16:38 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2013-08-10 19:57 ` vivo75
2013-08-09 16:17 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2013-08-09 20:43 ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-09 11:45 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09 13:57 ` Michał Górny
2013-08-09 19:11 ` Ben de Groot
2013-08-09 19:15 ` Matt Turner
2013-08-09 19:17 ` Michał Górny
2013-08-09 20:32 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09 23:32 ` Mike Auty
2013-08-10 0:03 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-10 10:51 ` Patrick Lauer
2013-08-10 10:59 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-10 11:12 ` Alon Bar-Lev
2013-08-10 11:38 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09 11:37 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2013-08-09 11:58 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-10 10:50 ` Patrick Lauer
2013-08-10 11:40 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2013-08-09 12:28 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-09 14:22 ` Alon Bar-Lev
2013-08-09 14:44 ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2013-08-09 14:50 ` Alon Bar-Lev
2013-08-09 14:51 ` Arun Raghavan
2013-08-09 14:57 ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2013-08-09 15:02 ` Alon Bar-Lev
2013-08-09 15:25 ` hasufell
2013-08-09 16:12 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09 15:12 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-10 11:04 ` Patrick Lauer
2013-08-10 11:42 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-10 11:51 ` Michael Weber
2013-08-10 16:50 ` William Hubbs
2013-08-09 16:43 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2013-08-09 14:59 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-10 11:03 ` Patrick Lauer
2013-08-10 11:52 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09 17:45 ` William Hubbs
2013-08-10 10:55 ` Patrick Lauer
2013-08-10 11:12 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-10 11:59 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-10 12:16 ` Ben Kohler
2013-08-09 13:44 ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-09 12:36 ` hasufell
2013-08-09 13:13 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-10 19:34 ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J. Long
2013-08-10 19:49 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-23 13:27 ` Steven J. Long
2013-08-23 15:54 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09 13:49 ` [gentoo-dev] " Samuli Suominen
2013-08-09 14:40 ` Alon Bar-Lev
2013-08-09 15:42 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09 16:35 ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-09 17:06 ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-09 10:42 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-09-11 9:41 ` Olav Vitters
2013-09-11 11:15 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-08 18:12 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09 0:27 ` Patrick Lauer
2013-08-09 3:08 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-09 9:16 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09 14:57 ` Walter Dnes
2013-08-09 15:47 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-10 4:03 ` Walter Dnes
2013-08-10 6:54 ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-08 15:26 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-08 16:05 ` Alex Xu
2013-08-08 16:09 ` William Hubbs
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[not found] ` < CAMUzOag6DkLLn7OpBRhkHsRGFWOjvMv_WDrT+cm0S-bewT=JhQ@mail.gmail.com>
2013-08-08 6:21 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2013-08-08 6:26 ` Daniel Campbell
2013-08-08 7:05 ` KDE/semantic-desktop, was: " Andreas K. Huettel
2013-08-08 14:59 ` [gentoo-dev] Re: KDE/semantic-desktop Martin Vaeth
2013-08-08 17:44 ` Martin Vaeth
2013-08-08 17:52 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-08 18:15 ` Chris Reffett
2013-08-08 9:45 ` [gentoo-dev] Re: Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8 hasufell
2013-08-08 11:23 ` Rich Freeman
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2013-08-08 8:27 ` Duncan
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[not found] ` <pan$f2635$5ee40939$18f8a55$7afd54a5@cox.net >
2013-08-08 8:33 ` Duncan
2013-08-07 15:16 ` [gentoo-dev] " Pacho Ramos
2013-08-08 6:19 ` Daniel Campbell
2013-08-08 15:13 ` William Hubbs
2013-08-08 9:39 ` Ben de Groot
2013-08-08 9:49 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-08 10:38 ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-08 20:40 ` Mike Auty
2013-08-08 21:06 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-09 0:17 ` Mike Auty
2013-08-09 0:26 ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2013-08-09 6:24 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-09 9:26 ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2013-08-09 9:51 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-09 10:22 ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2013-08-09 10:35 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-11 5:41 ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-11 7:31 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-11 7:51 ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-11 11:14 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-11 8:02 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2013-08-08 23:19 ` Greg KH
2013-08-09 0:26 ` Mike Auty
2013-08-09 9:35 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09 22:46 ` Mike Auty
2013-08-10 22:42 ` Wulf C. Krueger
2013-08-10 23:10 ` Mike Auty
2013-08-10 23:45 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2013-08-11 1:15 ` Mike Auty
2013-08-11 1:42 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-11 0:01 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-11 13:41 ` Walter Dnes
2013-08-11 14:03 ` Walter Dnes
2013-08-09 0:25 ` Michael Weber
2013-08-09 5:29 ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-09 6:28 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-09 6:27 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-10 19:57 ` Roy Bamford
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