On Thu, Aug 08, 2013 at 01:19:34AM -0500, Daniel Campbell wrote:
> On 08/07/2013 10:16 AM, Pacho Ramos wrote:
> > Also, I think we should stop spending a lot of time trying to keep it
> > working with openrc, we simply don't have resources to do that at the
> > moment (even Debian/Ubuntu people are stick with systemd-204 because
> > they don't have resources to keep logind working without systemd in
> > newer versions). Now, we are needing to put a lot of effort on trying to
> > provide unit files and provide systemd related fixes in the tree because
> > we haven't (in general) pay attention to systemd at all => I think we
> > should put more efforts on it than trying to work on hacks to prevent
> > systemd dependency.
> 
> I agree that there's no point in hacking software that voluntarily ties
> itself to systemd to *not* be tied to it, but dependency on any single
> init system is a bad idea. There are multiple kernels, multiple libc's,
> multiple device management layers, multiple inits, etc. Preventing
> dependency on certain things is a good way to enforce software diversity.
> 
> Granted, in systemd's case Gentoo's not the place to do it. It's the
> upstreams that should be convinced or told not to depend on a single
> init system.

As the primary upstream for OpenRc, I can assure you that work on it is
not stopping; OpenRc isn't dead.

I agree with this position too though. It isn't up to the gentoo teams
to try to force things like gnome-3.8 to work with OpenRc; the upstream
projects should be convinced that depending on systemd (or any other
init system specifically) is not a good idea.

William