From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C54E31381F3 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2013 12:24:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 18CA4E0A82; Fri, 7 Jun 2013 12:24:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fep15.mx.upcmail.net (fep15.mx.upcmail.net [62.179.121.35]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE10CE09FB for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2013 12:24:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edge04.upcmail.net ([192.168.13.239]) by viefep15-int.chello.at (InterMail vM.8.01.05.05 201-2260-151-110-20120111) with ESMTP id <20130607122442.XBYM2774.viefep15-int.chello.at@edge04.upcmail.net> for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2013 14:24:42 +0200 Received: from bkor.dhs.org ([62.195.84.29]) by edge04.upcmail.net with edge id lQQg1l01H0dyCrA03QQgGm; Fri, 07 Jun 2013 14:24:42 +0200 X-SourceIP: 62.195.84.29 Received: by bkor.dhs.org (Postfix, from userid 501) id 4DB8C50048A; Fri, 7 Jun 2013 14:24:40 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 14:24:40 +0200 From: Olav Vitters To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Making systemd more accessible to "normal" users Message-ID: <20130607122440.GC4146@bkor.dhs.org> References: <20130508190832.0ea16c88@gentoo.org> <518A8901.6030302@gmail.com> <20130510094500.62b0c958@sera-20.lan> <5191F8B7.9080006@gentoo.org> <20130515141755.4d53f21e@gentoo.org> <20130607115223.GB4146@bkor.dhs.org> <51B1CC56.50306@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <51B1CC56.50306@gentoo.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Archives-Salt: 4e31baea-ba82-4d8d-862e-7a8b11de1ed5 X-Archives-Hash: ba5f2e2ccd163d0691cfe8ca3f2cc8de On Fri, Jun 07, 2013 at 02:04:38PM +0200, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote: > Olav Vitters schrieb: > >> And now that GNOME 3.8 is out, the game starts over again: logind is a > >> hard requirement, logind is part of systemd, starting logind (which > >> replaces consolekit) is not that trivial as you may think (and is the > >> thing I started to work on anyway). > > I'm not aware of GNOME 3.8 having a hard requirement on logind. Could > > you please show where that is? > > The bug report about this issue states to which extent GNOME 3.8 needs > logind, and contains pointers to the relevant commits. > https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=464944 That bugreport is regarding an optional dependency for the power handling. It is correct that Ubuntu will switch from ConsoleKit to logind, so it does make sense to either maintain ConsoleKit or use logind. But it still is an optional dependency. I do agree with https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=464944#c11 (probably easier for all to just use it, it does not require systemd to be the init). -- Regards, Olav