From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E4B71381F3 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 10:25:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 05518E09FE; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 10:24:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gerard.telenet-ops.be (gerard.telenet-ops.be [195.130.132.48]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7F60E09EB for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 10:24:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from TOMWIJ-GENTOO ([94.226.55.127]) by gerard.telenet-ops.be with bizsmtp id jmQs1l0042khLEN0HmQsLq; Mon, 03 Jun 2013 12:24:52 +0200 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 09:03:30 +0200 From: Tom Wijsman To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: eselect init Message-ID: <20130603090330.4c65e393@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> In-Reply-To: <20130603003757.GA28323@waltdnes.org> References: <51A08A68.3020900@gentoo.org> <20130601092355.GB25065@rathaus.eclipse.co.uk> <51AB0D39.8050506@gentoo.org> <20130602182038.GA4485@rathaus.eclipse.co.uk> <51ABC8B1.7070105@gentoo.org> <20130603003757.GA28323@waltdnes.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.0 (GTK+ 2.24.18; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/7SsQg+zUpxK5UXy8s0.o3eU"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: 425ed9ea-04b7-4d37-ae9d-bad160969730 X-Archives-Hash: c9296d3dca8eeba3a3abbb832a613189 --Sig_/7SsQg+zUpxK5UXy8s0.o3eU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 2 Jun 2013 20:37:57 -0400 "Walter Dnes" wrote: > On Mon, Jun 03, 2013 at 12:35:29AM +0200, Luca Barbato wrote >=20 > > - eselect init will be opt-in ***FOR THE TIME BEING***, people can > > be left on their own tools if the want it >=20 > This statement should bring the same reaction as the posting that > udev source was being rolled into the systemd tarball. It implies > that eselect init will eventually become mandatory. How does it imply that? Do you see anyone pursuing it to be mandatory? > Your situation is a special use-case, i.e. a developer who wants to > switch between a "production" init system, and a "test" init system, > possibly multiple times a day. You're a developer, you know which > files to change, put together your own scripts, and run them as > necessary. Set up your own overlay and write your own eselect init > ebuild. No problem. But why should this eventually be a part of > mainstream Gentoo? Because most Gentoo users are developers. > BTW, I'm a bigger fan of busybox than most Gentoo users. Remember > the announcement of systemd/udev tarball integration, and supposed > deprecation of a separate /usr? I was the ****-disturber who started > up the https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Mdev wiki page on how to replace > udev with mdev. I also did a page on automounting at... > https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Mdev/Automount_USB/automount Having said > that, I don't see how busybox development justifies an additional > layer of complexity for everybody's bootup. Great, but that's mostly irrelevant to this ML thread; the need for such articles is a result of not being able to do it in a more proper way. --=20 With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : TomWij@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D --Sig_/7SsQg+zUpxK5UXy8s0.o3eU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.20 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJRrD/CAAoJEJWyH81tNOV9zsMIAMjTi0GJU3k4KQBSl26YvJnB Xhfiyw9KxkRvj+n/txiM8AUjShFRT4Efou4/YNspBrP5K51IWVNM6szOLcBFh1TU 4T+V9eaPSwcpkAoCASIAm8nyzNUdfjC95fgwQw1XyafB0fof3NgYDcEHKefsYtZN POzFoiREhmLrDyzL+H3KjXkEK/k3mestBYhAUMNBZFL5nvytF6rids0JgGtF21KD U13r6i4Egka4GomYanRHeIyAMKeVDitYvndycek+g88fG7LNPIjyLr5WYPhz1guE mbCu8oW/2/RfWZAKwZysQKYCW6mMJ+R5EXKFcvroPhR2kAttdxlFzFyYKLX5HdM= =84zk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/7SsQg+zUpxK5UXy8s0.o3eU--