From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0418F1381F3 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 00:38:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CC5B8E0982; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 00:38:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com (ironport2-out.teksavvy.com [206.248.154.182]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B70B8E0962 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 00:38:01 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av4EABK/CFFFxKuj/2dsb2JhbABEvw4Xc4IfAQU6HDMLIRMSDwUlN4gRDMEdBI1hgkhhA41+iA6FfohwgV6DEw X-IPAS-Result: Av4EABK/CFFFxKuj/2dsb2JhbABEvw4Xc4IfAQU6HDMLIRMSDwUlN4gRDMEdBI1hgkhhA41+iA6FfohwgV6DEw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,565,1355115600"; d="scan'208";a="15450895" Received: from 69-196-171-163.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO waltdnes.org) ([69.196.171.163]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with SMTP; 02 Jun 2013 20:37:54 -0400 Received: by waltdnes.org (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 02 Jun 2013 20:37:57 -0400 From: "Walter Dnes" Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 20:37:57 -0400 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: eselect init Message-ID: <20130603003757.GA28323@waltdnes.org> References: <51A08A68.3020900@gentoo.org> <20130601092355.GB25065@rathaus.eclipse.co.uk> <51AB0D39.8050506@gentoo.org> <20130602182038.GA4485@rathaus.eclipse.co.uk> <51ABC8B1.7070105@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <51ABC8B1.7070105@gentoo.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Archives-Salt: b77a079d-7ca5-4e00-9695-cc499b6ae219 X-Archives-Hash: d820864cd32621e48f1ef9840f68190b On Mon, Jun 03, 2013 at 12:35:29AM +0200, Luca Barbato wrote > - eselect init will be opt-in ***FOR THE TIME BEING***, people can > be left on their own tools if the want it This statement should bring the same reaction as the posting that udev source was being rolled into the systemd tarball. It implies that eselect init will eventually become mandatory. Your situation is a special use-case, i.e. a developer who wants to switch between a "production" init system, and a "test" init system, possibly multiple times a day. You're a developer, you know which files to change, put together your own scripts, and run them as necessary. Set up your own overlay and write your own eselect init ebuild. No problem. But why should this eventually be a part of mainstream Gentoo? BTW, I'm a bigger fan of busybox than most Gentoo users. Remember the announcement of systemd/udev tarball integration, and supposed deprecation of a separate /usr? I was the ****-disturber who started up the https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Mdev wiki page on how to replace udev with mdev. I also did a page on automounting at... https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Mdev/Automount_USB/automount Having said that, I don't see how busybox development justifies an additional layer of complexity for everybody's bootup. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications