From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 876A21381F3 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 06:22:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CD3F4E0965; Thu, 30 May 2013 06:22:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from juliette.telenet-ops.be (juliette.telenet-ops.be [195.130.137.74]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E296E095C for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 06:22:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from TOMWIJ-GENTOO ([94.226.55.127]) by juliette.telenet-ops.be with bizsmtp id i6NH1l00K2khLEN066NHFF; Thu, 30 May 2013 08:22:17 +0200 Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 08:19:28 +0200 From: Tom Wijsman To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Switchup-mode and boottime selector? Was: eselect init Message-ID: <20130530081928.65e4d0de@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> In-Reply-To: <20130530025258.GA23637@waltdnes.org> References: <51A1F493.90101@gentoo.org> <51A22310.70202@gentoo.org> <20130527224021.GA18963@waltdnes.org> <20130528135619.44259b60@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> <20130529105249.433e57f0@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> <20130529181554.GB23135@waltdnes.org> <20130529215600.0e53c63f@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> <20130530025258.GA23637@waltdnes.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.0 (GTK+ 2.24.18; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/=_fH2gHxXwfXs24AsZhHB3D"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: 2a6b2caa-ab52-4b0d-9f4b-0fc7feaa9ada X-Archives-Hash: dbcac98e7de4446f3eb141b03c0cfa4f --Sig_/=_fH2gHxXwfXs24AsZhHB3D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 29 May 2013 22:52:58 -0400 "Walter Dnes" wrote: > > > In order for a different init system to come up, some file(s) > > > somewhere *MUST* be different, no ifs/ands/ors/buts. > >=20 > > How true is this in general? It is usually only a change of the init > > parameter. >=20 > Where is the init parameter changed? Wherever it needs to be changed. > [... SNIP] byte-identical hard drives [SNIP ...] You either change it at boot time or on the hard drive. > > > The problem with an eselect approach is that it's like asking a > > > brain surgeon to operate on himself. > >=20 > > eselect and wrappers don't operate on themselves, please elaborate. >=20 > The operating system is changing itself. The world is changing itself. =20 > > > [SNIP to shorten mail] > >=20 > > Users can already do this, this isn't a solution. >=20 > If users can already do it themselves, then why this entire thread? > Why do we need eselect/whatever? For the same reason we have all the other eselect modules. http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/eselect/ Ironically, that project description even mentions init system... :) --=20 With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : TomWij@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D --Sig_/=_fH2gHxXwfXs24AsZhHB3D Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.20 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJRpu+bAAoJEJWyH81tNOV9H8UIALh0y7VK89b1Vw1DMvBL28aK EiwhBLcuquqNRZYS0IBgKVN9cqstSsKueaR2hETpFTk1fUQPUnLFetoTT6/Nm7zl g6fbTUC/ZbeQFw5LDc9MZu1I9uzoQ55xAEBfFz5uYliKYhQCtRAX5E12Q8akamLX gqr1mlm77vjBH61rkZQGKzgV9I1IfEM3LTq7UOkCmGHuTzSqKnfXYoW0+f/bT+6C icXABGMqdxF+7wnymKKGcRt5amXcQX/+qhQLM3zpmpectWOTiw0rW8oBeVak23wB po5Sfmo2a2mhluDhB3EOgZB+f/6VdF37SR4ClGFRJZ5oAuNdVaK/qtQi8R9YypI= =BNPH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/=_fH2gHxXwfXs24AsZhHB3D--