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From: Tom Wijsman <TomWij@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Switchup-mode and boottime selector? Was: eselect init
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 08:19:28 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130530081928.65e4d0de@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130530025258.GA23637@waltdnes.org>

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On Wed, 29 May 2013 22:52:58 -0400
"Walter Dnes" <waltdnes@waltdnes.org> wrote:

> > > In order for a different init system to come up, some file(s)
> > > somewhere *MUST* be different, no ifs/ands/ors/buts.
> > 
> > How true is this in general? It is usually only a change of the init
> > parameter.
> 
> Where is the init parameter changed?

Wherever it needs to be changed.

> [... SNIP] byte-identical hard drives [SNIP ...]

You either change it at boot time or on the hard drive.

> > > The problem with an eselect approach is that it's like asking a
> > > brain surgeon to operate on himself.
> > 
> > eselect and wrappers don't operate on themselves, please elaborate.
> 
> The operating system is changing itself.

The world is changing itself.
 
> > > [SNIP to shorten mail]
> > 
> > Users can already do this, this isn't a solution.
> 
>   If users can already do it themselves, then why this entire thread?
> Why do we need eselect/whatever?

For the same reason we have all the other eselect modules.

http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/eselect/

Ironically, that project description even mentions init system... :)

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With kind regards,

Tom Wijsman (TomWij)
Gentoo Developer

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  reply	other threads:[~2013-05-30  6:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 139+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-05-25  9:54 [gentoo-dev] eselect init Luca Barbato
2013-05-25 10:25 ` Peter Stuge
2013-05-25 11:57   ` Tom Wijsman
2013-05-26  1:52     ` Walter Dnes
2013-05-26  8:50       ` Tom Wijsman
2013-05-26  2:02     ` Peter Stuge
2013-05-26  8:56       ` Tom Wijsman
2013-05-25 19:08   ` Matthew Thode
2013-05-26 14:13     ` Ian Stakenvicius
2013-05-26 23:54       ` Luca Barbato
2013-05-25 11:13 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-05-25 12:03   ` Tom Wijsman
2013-05-25 12:25     ` Pacho Ramos
2013-05-25 15:42   ` Luca Barbato
2013-05-25 11:29 ` Sergei Trofimovich
2013-05-25 12:12   ` Tom Wijsman
2013-05-25 13:15   ` Luca Barbato
2013-05-25 17:35     ` Sergei Trofimovich
2013-05-25 19:49   ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2013-05-25 12:13 ` hasufell
2013-05-25 15:51   ` Luca Barbato
2013-05-25 13:38 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-05-25 19:09   ` J. Roeleveld
2013-05-25 19:55     ` Tom Wijsman
2013-05-25 20:07       ` Alex Xu
2013-05-25 20:59         ` Tom Wijsman
2013-05-26 12:59       ` J. Roeleveld
2013-05-26 13:58         ` Tom Wijsman
2013-05-26 14:54         ` Ian Stakenvicius
2013-05-26 13:15       ` Michał Górny
2013-05-26 14:07         ` Tom Wijsman
2013-05-26 14:44           ` Rich Freeman
2013-05-26  6:43 ` Michał Górny
2013-05-26  8:58   ` Robert David
2013-05-26  9:20     ` Michał Górny
2013-05-26  9:32       ` Robert David
2013-05-26  9:45       ` Tom Wijsman
2013-05-26 10:09         ` Michał Górny
2013-05-26 11:45           ` Tom Wijsman
2013-05-26 12:01             ` Michał Górny
2013-05-26  9:21     ` Tom Wijsman
2013-05-26 10:01       ` Robert David
2013-05-26 10:11         ` Rich Freeman
2013-05-26 10:18           ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2013-05-26 11:28           ` hasufell
2013-05-26 12:10         ` Tom Wijsman
2013-05-26  9:55   ` Luca Barbato
2013-05-26 10:39     ` Tom Wijsman
2013-05-26 10:57     ` Michał Górny
2013-05-26 11:40       ` Luca Barbato
2013-05-26 12:08         ` Michał Górny
2013-05-26 12:24           ` Luca Barbato
2013-05-26 14:58         ` Ian Stakenvicius
2013-05-27 10:36           ` [gentoo-dev] Switchup-mode and boottime selector? Was: " Duncan
2013-05-27 20:26             ` Alex Xu
2013-05-27 22:40             ` Walter Dnes
2013-05-28  9:56               ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2013-05-28 11:56                 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-05-29  0:36                   ` Duncan
2013-05-29  8:52                     ` Tom Wijsman
2013-05-29 18:15                       ` Walter Dnes
2013-05-29 19:56                         ` Tom Wijsman
2013-05-29 20:55                           ` William Hubbs
2013-05-30  0:06                             ` Tom Wijsman
2013-05-30  0:22                               ` William Hubbs
2013-05-30  1:36                                 ` Duncan
2013-05-30  6:35                                 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-05-30 20:41                                   ` William Hubbs
2013-05-30  6:46                                 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2013-05-30 13:54                                   ` Ian Stakenvicius
2013-05-31  6:21                                     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2013-05-30  6:30                             ` Luca Barbato
2013-06-22 19:35                             ` Markos Chandras
2013-05-30  2:52                           ` Walter Dnes
2013-05-30  6:19                             ` Tom Wijsman [this message]
2013-05-30  6:36                               ` Dale
2013-05-30  6:31                             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2013-05-28  3:55           ` [gentoo-dev] " Luca Barbato
2013-05-28  4:19             ` Michał Górny
2013-05-28  4:43               ` Luca Barbato
2013-05-28 12:15                 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2013-05-28 12:15                 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2013-05-26 11:58       ` Tom Wijsman
2013-05-26 14:52         ` Luca Barbato
2013-05-26 15:39           ` Tom Wijsman
2013-05-26 16:41     ` William Hubbs
2013-05-26 16:48       ` William Hubbs
2013-05-26 16:55         ` Michał Górny
2013-05-26 22:58           ` William Hubbs
2013-05-26 23:47             ` Luca Barbato
2013-05-27 23:45               ` [gentoo-dev] Separate boot/root already [WAS: eselect init] Walter Dnes
2013-05-28 15:07                 ` Luca Barbato
2013-06-01  9:23 ` [gentoo-dev] Re: eselect init Steven J. Long
2013-06-01 11:43   ` Steven J. Long
2013-06-02  9:15   ` Luca Barbato
2013-06-02 18:20     ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J. Long
2013-06-02 18:48       ` Fabio Erculiani
2013-06-08 13:37         ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J. Long
2013-06-02 22:35       ` [gentoo-dev] " Luca Barbato
2013-06-03  0:37         ` Walter Dnes
2013-06-03  0:57           ` Rich Freeman
2013-06-03  7:03           ` Tom Wijsman
2013-06-03  9:42           ` Luca Barbato
2013-06-03  6:19         ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2013-06-03  6:26         ` [gentoo-dev] " Pacho Ramos
2013-06-04 18:55         ` William Hubbs
2013-06-04 19:09           ` Rich Freeman
2013-06-08 13:28         ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J. Long
2013-06-20 10:16 ` [gentoo-dev] " Fabio Erculiani
2013-06-20 17:10   ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J. Long
2013-06-20 20:48     ` William Hubbs
2013-06-25  4:53       ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J. Long
2013-06-20 20:56   ` [gentoo-dev] " William Hubbs
2013-06-21  2:39     ` Michał Górny
2013-06-21  4:16       ` William Hubbs
2013-06-21 10:23         ` Michał Górny
2013-06-21 15:16           ` William Hubbs
2013-06-21 15:23             ` Fabio Erculiani
2013-06-21 16:42               ` William Hubbs
2013-06-22 11:23                 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2013-06-22 11:57                   ` hasufell
2013-06-21 19:34               ` Luca Barbato
2013-06-22  1:27                 ` Ulrich Mueller
2013-06-22  1:48                   ` Michael Weber
2013-06-21 15:29             ` Michał Górny
2013-06-21 16:13               ` Markos Chandras
2013-06-21 16:50                 ` William Hubbs
2013-06-21 19:36                   ` Luca Barbato
2013-06-21 10:30       ` Michael Weber
2013-06-21 11:19         ` Fabio Erculiani
2013-06-21 11:26           ` Pacho Ramos
2013-06-21 11:50             ` Luca Barbato
2013-06-21 14:36               ` William Hubbs
2013-06-21 15:48                 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-06-22  6:59                   ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2013-06-22 10:07                     ` Pacho Ramos
2013-06-22 11:13                       ` Michael Weber
2013-06-22 11:26                         ` Rich Freeman
2013-06-22 17:05                       ` Luca Barbato

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