From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D5221381F3 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 02:53:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B0B54E09EB; Thu, 30 May 2013 02:53:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com (ironport2-out.teksavvy.com [206.248.154.182]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9C44E09B4 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 02:53:01 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av4EABK/CFFFxKuj/2dsb2JhbABEvw4Xc4IeAQEEATocMwsYCRMSDwUlNxuHcAbBLY0fQoJIYQONfoRcgzKFfohwgV6DE4FT X-IPAS-Result: Av4EABK/CFFFxKuj/2dsb2JhbABEvw4Xc4IeAQEEATocMwsYCRMSDwUlNxuHcAbBLY0fQoJIYQONfoRcgzKFfohwgV6DE4FT X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,565,1355115600"; d="scan'208";a="15152689" Received: from 69-196-171-163.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO waltdnes.org) ([69.196.171.163]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with SMTP; 29 May 2013 22:52:55 -0400 Received: by waltdnes.org (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 29 May 2013 22:52:58 -0400 From: "Walter Dnes" Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 22:52:58 -0400 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Switchup-mode and boottime selector? Was: eselect init Message-ID: <20130530025258.GA23637@waltdnes.org> References: <51A1F493.90101@gentoo.org> <51A22310.70202@gentoo.org> <20130527224021.GA18963@waltdnes.org> <20130528135619.44259b60@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> <20130529105249.433e57f0@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> <20130529181554.GB23135@waltdnes.org> <20130529215600.0e53c63f@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20130529215600.0e53c63f@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Archives-Salt: 8e86c0db-4dbb-4172-a485-c3c47630b2cc X-Archives-Hash: 27a3c553c80ee2ef077bd8c87fac0698 On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 09:56:00PM +0200, Tom Wijsman wrote > "Walter Dnes" wrote: > > > In order for a different init system to come up, some file(s) > > somewhere *MUST* be different, no ifs/ands/ors/buts. > > How true is this in general? It is usually only a change of the init > parameter. Where is the init parameter changed? Even if it's only the "append" line in /etc/lilo.conf, my above statement still holds true. If you've got two identical machines with byte-identical hard drives, they can not boot two different OS's or init systems. > > The problem with an eselect approach is that it's like asking a brain > > surgeon to operate on himself. > > eselect and wrappers don't operate on themselves, please elaborate. The operating system is changing itself. > > [SNIP to shorten mail] > > Users can already do this, this isn't a solution. > > [SNIP to shorten mail] > > Again: Users can already do this, this isn't a solution. See above... If users can already do it themselves, then why this entire thread? Why do we need eselect/whatever? -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications