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From: Tom Wijsman <TomWij@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] eselect init
Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 13:45:43 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130526134543.10eb6d93@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130526120921.6d9a1dce@gentoo.org>

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On Sun, 26 May 2013 12:09:21 +0200
Michał Górny <mgorny@gentoo.org> wrote:

> > Easy isn't always good. It's not atomic since you can't reboot and
> > because of that I wouldn't call it smooth either.
> 
> Can't you? How come?

Because it expects the init system you boot with to be present.

> > > > I think that safest way not using wrapper is to stop all
> > > > services and keep only mounted /, than change things
> > > > (symlinks,configuration update) and reboot. 
> > > 
> > > This can be done two ways.
> > > 
> > > One is hacking into init (RC) reboot procedure. It's fragile, it
> > > needs to be fit into the right moment and I'm not sure if all
> > > inits will handle this without actually needing to patch the
> > > code. And in the end, the init gets replaced before init stops
> > > working anyway.
> > 
> > You're making things way more complex than a wrapper would do. I'm
> > not a fan of using the words "hacking", "fragile" and "not sure" for
> > selling an approach; so, why were you suggesting the symlink
> > approach?
> 
> Don't mix the two mails.

Don't read it as mixed, it is not; I take it that you agree with me as
you choose not to answer to it. If you meant to advocate your own
solution, expanding the other solutions is going to make us forget
about what you were suggesting; you're creating your own mixture.

> I am showing how fragile the solution suggested by Robert is. While
> you seem to be replying to every mail possible to repeatedly advocate
> your idea.

And I am showing how fragile your expansions to Robert's solution are;
thanks for clarifying you meant to point out its fragile, that was not
entirely clear from your response and I assumed another intention.

We are on the same line here, in fact you have replied more in this sub
thread than I did. The wrapper is not my idea; despites my advocation...

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With kind regards,

Tom Wijsman (TomWij)
Gentoo Developer

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  reply	other threads:[~2013-05-26 11:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 139+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-05-25  9:54 [gentoo-dev] eselect init Luca Barbato
2013-05-25 10:25 ` Peter Stuge
2013-05-25 11:57   ` Tom Wijsman
2013-05-26  1:52     ` Walter Dnes
2013-05-26  8:50       ` Tom Wijsman
2013-05-26  2:02     ` Peter Stuge
2013-05-26  8:56       ` Tom Wijsman
2013-05-25 19:08   ` Matthew Thode
2013-05-26 14:13     ` Ian Stakenvicius
2013-05-26 23:54       ` Luca Barbato
2013-05-25 11:13 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-05-25 12:03   ` Tom Wijsman
2013-05-25 12:25     ` Pacho Ramos
2013-05-25 15:42   ` Luca Barbato
2013-05-25 11:29 ` Sergei Trofimovich
2013-05-25 12:12   ` Tom Wijsman
2013-05-25 13:15   ` Luca Barbato
2013-05-25 17:35     ` Sergei Trofimovich
2013-05-25 19:49   ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2013-05-25 12:13 ` hasufell
2013-05-25 15:51   ` Luca Barbato
2013-05-25 13:38 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-05-25 19:09   ` J. Roeleveld
2013-05-25 19:55     ` Tom Wijsman
2013-05-25 20:07       ` Alex Xu
2013-05-25 20:59         ` Tom Wijsman
2013-05-26 12:59       ` J. Roeleveld
2013-05-26 13:58         ` Tom Wijsman
2013-05-26 14:54         ` Ian Stakenvicius
2013-05-26 13:15       ` Michał Górny
2013-05-26 14:07         ` Tom Wijsman
2013-05-26 14:44           ` Rich Freeman
2013-05-26  6:43 ` Michał Górny
2013-05-26  8:58   ` Robert David
2013-05-26  9:20     ` Michał Górny
2013-05-26  9:32       ` Robert David
2013-05-26  9:45       ` Tom Wijsman
2013-05-26 10:09         ` Michał Górny
2013-05-26 11:45           ` Tom Wijsman [this message]
2013-05-26 12:01             ` Michał Górny
2013-05-26  9:21     ` Tom Wijsman
2013-05-26 10:01       ` Robert David
2013-05-26 10:11         ` Rich Freeman
2013-05-26 10:18           ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2013-05-26 11:28           ` hasufell
2013-05-26 12:10         ` Tom Wijsman
2013-05-26  9:55   ` Luca Barbato
2013-05-26 10:39     ` Tom Wijsman
2013-05-26 10:57     ` Michał Górny
2013-05-26 11:40       ` Luca Barbato
2013-05-26 12:08         ` Michał Górny
2013-05-26 12:24           ` Luca Barbato
2013-05-26 14:58         ` Ian Stakenvicius
2013-05-27 10:36           ` [gentoo-dev] Switchup-mode and boottime selector? Was: " Duncan
2013-05-27 20:26             ` Alex Xu
2013-05-27 22:40             ` Walter Dnes
2013-05-28  9:56               ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2013-05-28 11:56                 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-05-29  0:36                   ` Duncan
2013-05-29  8:52                     ` Tom Wijsman
2013-05-29 18:15                       ` Walter Dnes
2013-05-29 19:56                         ` Tom Wijsman
2013-05-29 20:55                           ` William Hubbs
2013-05-30  0:06                             ` Tom Wijsman
2013-05-30  0:22                               ` William Hubbs
2013-05-30  1:36                                 ` Duncan
2013-05-30  6:35                                 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-05-30 20:41                                   ` William Hubbs
2013-05-30  6:46                                 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2013-05-30 13:54                                   ` Ian Stakenvicius
2013-05-31  6:21                                     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2013-05-30  6:30                             ` Luca Barbato
2013-06-22 19:35                             ` Markos Chandras
2013-05-30  2:52                           ` Walter Dnes
2013-05-30  6:19                             ` Tom Wijsman
2013-05-30  6:36                               ` Dale
2013-05-30  6:31                             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2013-05-28  3:55           ` [gentoo-dev] " Luca Barbato
2013-05-28  4:19             ` Michał Górny
2013-05-28  4:43               ` Luca Barbato
2013-05-28 12:15                 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2013-05-28 12:15                 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2013-05-26 11:58       ` Tom Wijsman
2013-05-26 14:52         ` Luca Barbato
2013-05-26 15:39           ` Tom Wijsman
2013-05-26 16:41     ` William Hubbs
2013-05-26 16:48       ` William Hubbs
2013-05-26 16:55         ` Michał Górny
2013-05-26 22:58           ` William Hubbs
2013-05-26 23:47             ` Luca Barbato
2013-05-27 23:45               ` [gentoo-dev] Separate boot/root already [WAS: eselect init] Walter Dnes
2013-05-28 15:07                 ` Luca Barbato
2013-06-01  9:23 ` [gentoo-dev] Re: eselect init Steven J. Long
2013-06-01 11:43   ` Steven J. Long
2013-06-02  9:15   ` Luca Barbato
2013-06-02 18:20     ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J. Long
2013-06-02 18:48       ` Fabio Erculiani
2013-06-08 13:37         ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J. Long
2013-06-02 22:35       ` [gentoo-dev] " Luca Barbato
2013-06-03  0:37         ` Walter Dnes
2013-06-03  0:57           ` Rich Freeman
2013-06-03  7:03           ` Tom Wijsman
2013-06-03  9:42           ` Luca Barbato
2013-06-03  6:19         ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2013-06-03  6:26         ` [gentoo-dev] " Pacho Ramos
2013-06-04 18:55         ` William Hubbs
2013-06-04 19:09           ` Rich Freeman
2013-06-08 13:28         ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J. Long
2013-06-20 10:16 ` [gentoo-dev] " Fabio Erculiani
2013-06-20 17:10   ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J. Long
2013-06-20 20:48     ` William Hubbs
2013-06-25  4:53       ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J. Long
2013-06-20 20:56   ` [gentoo-dev] " William Hubbs
2013-06-21  2:39     ` Michał Górny
2013-06-21  4:16       ` William Hubbs
2013-06-21 10:23         ` Michał Górny
2013-06-21 15:16           ` William Hubbs
2013-06-21 15:23             ` Fabio Erculiani
2013-06-21 16:42               ` William Hubbs
2013-06-22 11:23                 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2013-06-22 11:57                   ` hasufell
2013-06-21 19:34               ` Luca Barbato
2013-06-22  1:27                 ` Ulrich Mueller
2013-06-22  1:48                   ` Michael Weber
2013-06-21 15:29             ` Michał Górny
2013-06-21 16:13               ` Markos Chandras
2013-06-21 16:50                 ` William Hubbs
2013-06-21 19:36                   ` Luca Barbato
2013-06-21 10:30       ` Michael Weber
2013-06-21 11:19         ` Fabio Erculiani
2013-06-21 11:26           ` Pacho Ramos
2013-06-21 11:50             ` Luca Barbato
2013-06-21 14:36               ` William Hubbs
2013-06-21 15:48                 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-06-22  6:59                   ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2013-06-22 10:07                     ` Pacho Ramos
2013-06-22 11:13                       ` Michael Weber
2013-06-22 11:26                         ` Rich Freeman
2013-06-22 17:05                       ` Luca Barbato

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