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From: Tom Wijsman <TomWij@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] eselect init
Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 13:57:39 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130525135739.2d302c1d@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130525102503.23674.qmail@stuge.se>

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On Sat, 25 May 2013 12:25:03 +0200
Peter Stuge <peter@stuge.se> wrote:

> I would actually expect the change to take effect immediately.

Then how would you be able to shutdown / reboot your system in a clean
way? The premise here is that when you boot with an init system you
must shutdown with that same init system, you can't just start one init
system and expect the other init system to cleanly shut down its
services. Therefore implementing this would either be unclean or way to
complex. 

From all the methods discussed doing it on boot sounds the most sane.

> On boot could work, except that it does add more steps (= more
> fragility) to the boot process, which I think everyone wants to avoid.

If it is implemented properly, it really isn't that fragile as you
would think; it doesn't take much input, so there is barely any
implementation and bug fixing needed and it will work everywhere.

Users that manage to break this will often know how to fix, unless we
messed up from the Portage tree; but well, this mostly boils down to a
proper news item and documentation _before_ bringing this out such that
users are at least aware of this crucial boot process change.

Anyhow, users need to be aware anyway for when they ever decide to try
or switch another init system in the future.

-- 
With kind regards,

Tom Wijsman (TomWij)
Gentoo Developer

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  reply	other threads:[~2013-05-25 11:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 139+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-05-25  9:54 [gentoo-dev] eselect init Luca Barbato
2013-05-25 10:25 ` Peter Stuge
2013-05-25 11:57   ` Tom Wijsman [this message]
2013-05-26  1:52     ` Walter Dnes
2013-05-26  8:50       ` Tom Wijsman
2013-05-26  2:02     ` Peter Stuge
2013-05-26  8:56       ` Tom Wijsman
2013-05-25 19:08   ` Matthew Thode
2013-05-26 14:13     ` Ian Stakenvicius
2013-05-26 23:54       ` Luca Barbato
2013-05-25 11:13 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-05-25 12:03   ` Tom Wijsman
2013-05-25 12:25     ` Pacho Ramos
2013-05-25 15:42   ` Luca Barbato
2013-05-25 11:29 ` Sergei Trofimovich
2013-05-25 12:12   ` Tom Wijsman
2013-05-25 13:15   ` Luca Barbato
2013-05-25 17:35     ` Sergei Trofimovich
2013-05-25 19:49   ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2013-05-25 12:13 ` hasufell
2013-05-25 15:51   ` Luca Barbato
2013-05-25 13:38 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-05-25 19:09   ` J. Roeleveld
2013-05-25 19:55     ` Tom Wijsman
2013-05-25 20:07       ` Alex Xu
2013-05-25 20:59         ` Tom Wijsman
2013-05-26 12:59       ` J. Roeleveld
2013-05-26 13:58         ` Tom Wijsman
2013-05-26 14:54         ` Ian Stakenvicius
2013-05-26 13:15       ` Michał Górny
2013-05-26 14:07         ` Tom Wijsman
2013-05-26 14:44           ` Rich Freeman
2013-05-26  6:43 ` Michał Górny
2013-05-26  8:58   ` Robert David
2013-05-26  9:20     ` Michał Górny
2013-05-26  9:32       ` Robert David
2013-05-26  9:45       ` Tom Wijsman
2013-05-26 10:09         ` Michał Górny
2013-05-26 11:45           ` Tom Wijsman
2013-05-26 12:01             ` Michał Górny
2013-05-26  9:21     ` Tom Wijsman
2013-05-26 10:01       ` Robert David
2013-05-26 10:11         ` Rich Freeman
2013-05-26 10:18           ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2013-05-26 11:28           ` hasufell
2013-05-26 12:10         ` Tom Wijsman
2013-05-26  9:55   ` Luca Barbato
2013-05-26 10:39     ` Tom Wijsman
2013-05-26 10:57     ` Michał Górny
2013-05-26 11:40       ` Luca Barbato
2013-05-26 12:08         ` Michał Górny
2013-05-26 12:24           ` Luca Barbato
2013-05-26 14:58         ` Ian Stakenvicius
2013-05-27 10:36           ` [gentoo-dev] Switchup-mode and boottime selector? Was: " Duncan
2013-05-27 20:26             ` Alex Xu
2013-05-27 22:40             ` Walter Dnes
2013-05-28  9:56               ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2013-05-28 11:56                 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-05-29  0:36                   ` Duncan
2013-05-29  8:52                     ` Tom Wijsman
2013-05-29 18:15                       ` Walter Dnes
2013-05-29 19:56                         ` Tom Wijsman
2013-05-29 20:55                           ` William Hubbs
2013-05-30  0:06                             ` Tom Wijsman
2013-05-30  0:22                               ` William Hubbs
2013-05-30  1:36                                 ` Duncan
2013-05-30  6:35                                 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-05-30 20:41                                   ` William Hubbs
2013-05-30  6:46                                 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2013-05-30 13:54                                   ` Ian Stakenvicius
2013-05-31  6:21                                     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2013-05-30  6:30                             ` Luca Barbato
2013-06-22 19:35                             ` Markos Chandras
2013-05-30  2:52                           ` Walter Dnes
2013-05-30  6:19                             ` Tom Wijsman
2013-05-30  6:36                               ` Dale
2013-05-30  6:31                             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2013-05-28  3:55           ` [gentoo-dev] " Luca Barbato
2013-05-28  4:19             ` Michał Górny
2013-05-28  4:43               ` Luca Barbato
2013-05-28 12:15                 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2013-05-28 12:15                 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2013-05-26 11:58       ` Tom Wijsman
2013-05-26 14:52         ` Luca Barbato
2013-05-26 15:39           ` Tom Wijsman
2013-05-26 16:41     ` William Hubbs
2013-05-26 16:48       ` William Hubbs
2013-05-26 16:55         ` Michał Górny
2013-05-26 22:58           ` William Hubbs
2013-05-26 23:47             ` Luca Barbato
2013-05-27 23:45               ` [gentoo-dev] Separate boot/root already [WAS: eselect init] Walter Dnes
2013-05-28 15:07                 ` Luca Barbato
2013-06-01  9:23 ` [gentoo-dev] Re: eselect init Steven J. Long
2013-06-01 11:43   ` Steven J. Long
2013-06-02  9:15   ` Luca Barbato
2013-06-02 18:20     ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J. Long
2013-06-02 18:48       ` Fabio Erculiani
2013-06-08 13:37         ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J. Long
2013-06-02 22:35       ` [gentoo-dev] " Luca Barbato
2013-06-03  0:37         ` Walter Dnes
2013-06-03  0:57           ` Rich Freeman
2013-06-03  7:03           ` Tom Wijsman
2013-06-03  9:42           ` Luca Barbato
2013-06-03  6:19         ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2013-06-03  6:26         ` [gentoo-dev] " Pacho Ramos
2013-06-04 18:55         ` William Hubbs
2013-06-04 19:09           ` Rich Freeman
2013-06-08 13:28         ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J. Long
2013-06-20 10:16 ` [gentoo-dev] " Fabio Erculiani
2013-06-20 17:10   ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J. Long
2013-06-20 20:48     ` William Hubbs
2013-06-25  4:53       ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J. Long
2013-06-20 20:56   ` [gentoo-dev] " William Hubbs
2013-06-21  2:39     ` Michał Górny
2013-06-21  4:16       ` William Hubbs
2013-06-21 10:23         ` Michał Górny
2013-06-21 15:16           ` William Hubbs
2013-06-21 15:23             ` Fabio Erculiani
2013-06-21 16:42               ` William Hubbs
2013-06-22 11:23                 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2013-06-22 11:57                   ` hasufell
2013-06-21 19:34               ` Luca Barbato
2013-06-22  1:27                 ` Ulrich Mueller
2013-06-22  1:48                   ` Michael Weber
2013-06-21 15:29             ` Michał Górny
2013-06-21 16:13               ` Markos Chandras
2013-06-21 16:50                 ` William Hubbs
2013-06-21 19:36                   ` Luca Barbato
2013-06-21 10:30       ` Michael Weber
2013-06-21 11:19         ` Fabio Erculiani
2013-06-21 11:26           ` Pacho Ramos
2013-06-21 11:50             ` Luca Barbato
2013-06-21 14:36               ` William Hubbs
2013-06-21 15:48                 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-06-22  6:59                   ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2013-06-22 10:07                     ` Pacho Ramos
2013-06-22 11:13                       ` Michael Weber
2013-06-22 11:26                         ` Rich Freeman
2013-06-22 17:05                       ` Luca Barbato

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