From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2484A1381F3 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 06:42:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 749B5E07FD; Thu, 23 May 2013 06:42:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6CE41E07F0 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 06:42:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (178-37-163-206.adsl.inetia.pl [178.37.163.206]) (using SSLv3 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: mgorny) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 893E533E174; Thu, 23 May 2013 06:42:00 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 20:32:35 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-2?B?TWljaGGzIEfzcm55?= To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Cc: lu_zero@gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Making systemd more accessible to "normal" users Message-ID: <20130522203235.1de8d1a4@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <519CE284.9000203@gentoo.org> References: <5198CCA9.8020501@gmail.com> <201305191523.59060.dilfridge@gentoo.org> <20130519143421.15214.qmail@stuge.se> <519AE3E6.2070001@gmx.com> <519B1C5A.6080900@gmail.com> <519CE284.9000203@gentoo.org> Organization: Gentoo X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.0 (GTK+ 2.24.18; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA512; boundary="Sig_/twcfqZJY4SoxaAACZJBjBpL"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: 0eb28041-5c7e-49db-aec9-0cd848265032 X-Archives-Hash: e5aa5975def6b784277de00480c4d127 --Sig_/twcfqZJY4SoxaAACZJBjBpL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 22 May 2013 17:21:40 +0200 Luca Barbato wrote: > On 05/21/2013 09:03 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > On 21/05/2013 05:03, Daniel Campbell wrote: > >> That's missing the point. If you don't run systemd, having unit files = is > >> pointless. Thankfully there's INSTALL_MASK and whatnot, but that seems > >> like a hack instead of something more robust. Why include systemd unit > >> files (by default, with no systemd USE flag, thanks to the council...) > >> on a system that's not using it? 154 files isn't negligible unless > >> you're flippant with your system and don't care about bloat. Unused > >> software sitting around *is* a waste of disk-space. > >> > >> Some people (like myself) came to Gentoo to avoid putting systemd on > >> their systems and to make use of the great choice that Gentoo allows. > >> This push to make systemd a "first level citizen" or whatever reeks of > >> marketing. If there is desire among users for unit files, they can > >> contact upstream or maintain their own set of unit files. It's not like > >> they're hard to write. > >> > >=20 > > > >=20 > > This is such a weak argument it's quite laughable. > >=20 > > I don't like gnu info files. Neither me nor anyone I know can figure out > > how to drive info. So, let's rip all the info files out of every > > package; leaving the 3 users who do know info free to grab their copies > > from upstream. I mean it's not like it's hard or anything, and info > > files are easy to write. >=20 > check the FEATURES variable and be surprise =3D) (from man make.conf) >=20 > nodoc Do not install doc files (/usr/share/doc). >=20 > noinfo Do not install info pages. >=20 > noman Do not install manpages. >=20 > Adding a nounits norunscript and such might work and had been proposed. Yet it's just redundant and a more specific form of INSTALL_MASK. Without the ability to e.g. rebuild packages which were installing given files. --=20 Best regards, Micha=B3 G=F3rny --Sig_/twcfqZJY4SoxaAACZJBjBpL Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.20 (GNU/Linux) iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJRnQ9HXxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQ1RUJGMjBGOTk2RkIzQzIyQ0M2RkNBNDBC QUJGMUQ1RkY4QzgxMTBBAAoJELq/HV/4yBEKBQIQAPHCA09YUE3wUbXAVrPO0vYG SCal6zWRGFYtXzIdJARVXZv8LxwnyR3dVtVQDOdVRvyRIk2L5RV9cGOoq/se1fuD 5E0h6duFqQFh9gX/QNFRlKb+/w/LvkHxbt4KiA2V9SWiW9QauxBD0VbOgL+7fTRm 0JnRsi++JiCzd6MoHB8gBIHjnH6perUPnfGv3TdIWAf4YjRB6ZawwV5Cau8ez1Zb qaE+vEabzvt5f0gpYbdWeayhAObny6uQQIT+gZsWA1Y1nFCnYf37Mm8sa0T587gw nC22fhe/YG85CBjutdTYwi9oBcKUYAab8v3b5/cnXC25v6w6fQuFv5F2OI4ZjHBH OLypKwODddkoCdwITq5sdlOt5QVmpl27a/XsOaiIVlxXnrymZ440LVZ/mFbTe1CJ ghMG/0ycdj3jjmV6HCa+la8tmXwctCZyFhxG+HKGoIJXA9DEE9aYm1rofDaZSUFP N3ZjAQbLacJbGc4Ap/MpAAkLhzAsBF0AAr/yFYEPXsHIK3uQnmoMeUjA80TY4AiK CGTmhERsp/C0Up314e7QuFVBQ74Jnt/ycQXryja0972FPEzKQdTTYQ0nGUHg4Rb6 Kss0DVVOJGhk3SAKz2NGZRcHvCn6Z09myGW0DwBlms31dKU3DG+4TiAzZznJ6VoP 3eNwNKYfjq/k+UuYiGAd =PW40 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/twcfqZJY4SoxaAACZJBjBpL--