From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E4E61381F3 for ; Sat, 4 May 2013 17:08:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F0B27E084A; Sat, 4 May 2013 17:08:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yh0-f53.google.com (mail-yh0-f53.google.com [209.85.213.53]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0AD9EE0837 for ; Sat, 4 May 2013 17:08:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yh0-f53.google.com with SMTP id z12so486297yhz.40 for ; Sat, 04 May 2013 10:08:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:sender:date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to :references:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition :in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=7AVuLgmvQnMSbGD5uhC2Lzz0QOBkYDVPZ4RZInObdus=; b=rYkO1Td0QpczoPX/CjFxObH1bm8MBdgZuqt55wCAYophM6DfG6+fRcGd8eC5iqxeRX LsZMRFPP8+qxf4yTuoMWNCqt025Ezmwfjr0FCSChgqHvqczde89BkGs/qpBKIVctmZFm m2hI+++AFtlqvESbe0+ntUYl1cbuRxUKZygeUg/ZJu+/osKvXgG+DbKj6rIndGCBIOX6 s1en2Ss0rczF4cu8jcvBIY/bKwDmoJWkfoqpwWkVX0jseln7yaECozfs1xVgztrhshqH kLbuKNkLAsYxb9iFLKo3ESCHby059JOvgixBUnAJSwEqVQyq6UkV/aRSK43G6axD8qGe xnTA== X-Received: by 10.236.125.38 with SMTP id y26mr13152724yhh.115.1367687320116; Sat, 04 May 2013 10:08:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from linux1 (cpe-76-187-91-128.tx.res.rr.com. [76.187.91.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id y24sm26419733yhn.20.2013.05.04.10.08.37 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 04 May 2013 10:08:39 -0700 (PDT) Sender: William Hubbs Received: by linux1 (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 04 May 2013 12:08:36 -0500 Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 12:08:36 -0500 From: William Hubbs To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] USE_EXPAND is not an IUSE replacement [was: New USE_EXPAND: CLAWS_MAIL_PLUGINS] Message-ID: <20130504170836.GA2331@linux1> Mail-Followup-To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org References: <20130421233844.2b015d4d@gentoo.org> <5177AB1F.8020606@necoro.eu> <5183B4A7.2020704@necoro.eu> <51841BFF.2060809@gentoo.org> <5184274B.3080408@necoro.eu> <51847A8D.6000704@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="IS0zKkzwUGydFO0o" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <51847A8D.6000704@gentoo.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Archives-Salt: 02bbff98-1806-4864-97db-5cf77fdb4657 X-Archives-Hash: 0776d2a91393d42e497ec5729a30177f --IS0zKkzwUGydFO0o Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 11:03:41PM -0400, Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 >=20 > On 05/03/2013 05:28 PM, Mike Gilbert wrote: > > On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Ren=E9 Neumann wrote: > >> Am 03.05.2013 22:20, schrieb Zac Medico: > >>> Is it worth changing? > >> > >> Nope. What's worth changing is the excessive use of USE_EXPAND for no > >> reason (your described usecase makes sense for reasonable USE_EXPAND > >> stuff like VIDEO_CARDS). But seems like I'm the only one concerned by > >> this, so I should probably rest my case and switch to silent sobbing > >> instead ;-). > >> > >> - Ren=E9 > >> > >=20 > > Well, I do agree that they are overused. For example, GRUB_PLATFORMS > > is used by only one package. > >=20 > > I would convert it back into a normal set of use flags, but that would > > mean any users of sys-boot/grub:2 would have to update their > > configuration. I don't think it is worth it at this point. > >=20 >=20 > Considering grub:2 isn't really used by the majority of users I feel > compelled to note that you could convert now and just pick a sane set of > use defaults. I know it's been a while since EAPI2 was introduced but I > do love that little feature... :-) I would also like to chime in here and point out that all grub:2 users are ~arch users. If we were going to break stable it would be more of a shake-up, but since it isn't happening that way, I would say go for it. ~arch users are expected to be able to handle things like this. William --IS0zKkzwUGydFO0o Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlGFQJQACgkQblQW9DDEZTgv6QCeOk2Vj/XSY3Fnxk26zhEwV1pn af8An3AwzBnxdMqoPHmKysWzLicUkBdv =UC1l -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --IS0zKkzwUGydFO0o--