From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 553081381F3 for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 03:18:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 26C78E07E0; Thu, 2 May 2013 03:18:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ye0-f181.google.com (mail-ye0-f181.google.com [209.85.213.181]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D3E87E0985 for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 03:18:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ye0-f181.google.com with SMTP id l8so32575yen.26 for ; Wed, 01 May 2013 20:18:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:sender:date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to :references:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition :in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=xESNw4o2DDkPd/y00pqy4OAG3IiHl9wV8n+FMjjBQ7c=; b=akrGQ1zsViu+qEmAwF2bqEJi7Q3+hvVC9ZvS8Q94gbtkHzS2NAaDPUe03Rn1c3hvWj 9tnJT5tit8SgwL/VDfljy+xeYc5bZRjumMRGzpKyOsPsjEJWPY/PS9Rn/b+jYSzZZz0i G8dHG7k301jRu4l7q6rVCF01cT0CXJk9DxQUFsdJKf4vU6WkEFNPXGMWP8WXD2B4ttTH vBKMEsjl7M+CCX8DSlojwDU3iwfDs5qmxSXGizG0qEW20uLCMzXL6zUeu4HGYFDgx5Lc NpOns75DN5sgO+jyrLo1dI+560A+xlsSVVG+AAEKOQFXbOTLyMq1pzpzbz1DzRh/7e2T Vf9Q== X-Received: by 10.236.131.110 with SMTP id l74mr3671173yhi.87.1367464702990; Wed, 01 May 2013 20:18:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from linux1 (cpe-76-187-91-128.tx.res.rr.com. [76.187.91.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id n15sm10313001yhi.2.2013.05.01.20.18.20 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 01 May 2013 20:18:21 -0700 (PDT) Sender: William Hubbs Received: by linux1 (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 01 May 2013 22:18:19 -0500 Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 22:18:19 -0500 From: William Hubbs To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Making systemd more accessible to "normal" users Message-ID: <20130502031819.GB20292@linux1> Mail-Followup-To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org References: <51817269.40707@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="s2ZSL+KKDSLx8OML" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Archives-Salt: 7e206746-86da-4e6b-b4d0-a24f170521c6 X-Archives-Hash: e401c04231864cf28498f2f45ddb3374 --s2ZSL+KKDSLx8OML Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 11:14:28PM +0200, Fabio Erculiani wrote: > On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 9:52 PM, "Pawe=C5=82 Hajdan, Jr." > wrote: > > On 5/1/13 3:04 AM, Fabio Erculiani wrote: > > > > As far as I read the bug, Mike (vapier) is doing the right thing. > > Distros doing lots of custom changes can only add more chaos to the pic= ture. >=20 > We are a distribution, we have our own goals, thus we change the code > to better integrate with our ecosystem. > That's part of the game. If we don't want to do that, we shouldn't be > running a distro in the first place. >=20 > > > > Have you reached out to relevant upstreams? If they refuse to make > > changes, that's a different story. So far I think it's reasonable to go > > to upstreams first. >=20 > For just a symlink swap and some file moves? (re: sysvinit) > We don't need to bless upstream first for such small changes. Like I've already said too, I don't see that we need to do this change. Systemd is called /usr/lib/systemd/systemd (it should be /lib/systemd/systemd), and sysvinit is called /sbin/init,, so I don't see the need for moving init around and creating all of these symlinks. I guess I'm not completely opposed to it, I just want you to convince me that doing it has value. Where I am now is I feel like it adds complexity for almost no gain. William --s2ZSL+KKDSLx8OML Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlGB2vsACgkQblQW9DDEZTiDPwCfZPPJ+5IFAdzw9WLdt9Z+W+Kh XhcAmQFutM2mgtR+tF/AkGLR3ROv3qae =+6WJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --s2ZSL+KKDSLx8OML--