From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D9551381F3 for ; Wed, 1 May 2013 20:43:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9C1B6E091F; Wed, 1 May 2013 20:43:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A72F5E0912 for ; Wed, 1 May 2013 20:43:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (77-255-24-177.adsl.inetia.pl [77.255.24.177]) (using SSLv3 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: mgorny) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B17BB33E02B; Wed, 1 May 2013 20:43:02 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 22:32:44 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-2?B?TWljaGGzIEfzcm55?= To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Cc: phajdan.jr@gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Making systemd more accessible to "normal" users Message-ID: <20130501223244.445093b9@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <51817269.40707@gentoo.org> References: <51817269.40707@gentoo.org> Organization: Gentoo X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.0 (GTK+ 2.24.17; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA512; boundary="Sig_/6ESgA1hpJxRD8wI02LIr2ei"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: 9b579a8c-ce44-4635-ba77-dce69ca027e7 X-Archives-Hash: f667a9112b32e1f6d14fc8cf53ab900e --Sig_/6ESgA1hpJxRD8wI02LIr2ei Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 01 May 2013 12:52:09 -0700 ""Pawe=B3 Hajdan, Jr."" wrote: > On 5/1/13 3:04 AM, Fabio Erculiani wrote: > > It is sad to say that the "territoriality" in base-system (and > > toolchain) is not allowing any kind of progress [3] [4]. This is > > nothing new, by the way. > >=20 > > [4] "useless crap": https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D399615 >=20 > As far as I read the bug, Mike (vapier) is doing the right thing. > Distros doing lots of custom changes can only add more chaos to the pictu= re. >=20 > Have you reached out to relevant upstreams? If they refuse to make > changes, that's a different story. So far I think it's reasonable to go > to upstreams first. Well, the first thing to do would be making /sbin/init a symlink and renaming sysvinit. Now, why would sysvinit upstream do such a thing? I doubt it's a change that upstream should be willing to do because of what downstream wants to do afterwards... --=20 Best regards, Micha=B3 G=F3rny --Sig_/6ESgA1hpJxRD8wI02LIr2ei Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJRgXvwXxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQ1RUJGMjBGOTk2RkIzQzIyQ0M2RkNBNDBC QUJGMUQ1RkY4QzgxMTBBAAoJELq/HV/4yBEKEmEQAO1e5n6pCU81oX08S2q1/SZJ ZRaNcQ44xY4xvJbYYsajBAZXd6rYKWlh6UtvmNkdfc6l2tyqKcy6hDVcFMwHmoGV 9hYX/Bxl1AXX3db+iMCv/SpCNQw4C1spDHoUPRD8ZaO4Ij69UMPY3PGSdIp3u8Fn 6/yeSCGUu6Q2a4z3/u4mjITEmklNJPee7xoyyK6uQKUO025Md4s/xfWRxSvmIqmc ltUYltWqqoBeLkMlpl0kyMzXYWtDmM/V2U6WLUBn3n8izfBiOi4Y2M9yaztn0uKZ aLzjpSy+YQL2xmK99HrUJfa0I+hx3u2Sn+FBIxNaRHVsaw4g9zLAy0ppuDkN8/67 2d3AJ8PEcEhEx3nWK4nUVCmicR2WlIhUQeYJUgyrwkVkOIJNOfT4DHBrIf5VrmSc Zgn1Q5fnDncxrXa+apEtBbOIB1Gu+wK2i8LSu74XVRLHOCiWtr0jXo7ejRfbHvBQ SdyOBr+BSuUE/HCI9WT5c1ScmjEWaKe72SlPzk5SUq2buTzh20Jt+dE+AO6YoXuW hE7ZBX83gbVIuSRETWYVK3kTWmSl7hG4JRBel9KMTOTJdcWBOcpnPd72XhWs4nYT 3iBAsiSBY0cHPs8mIehfnULBHKVKWJ0DzorKCDJbOkgOLerQvpi7oZBxFicm4AR+ Keg1EA1+NAgHQz9nGF43 =dDWL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/6ESgA1hpJxRD8wI02LIr2ei--