From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDE8D1381F3 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 18:11:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8CB5DE0B91; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 18:10:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A0B5EE0B84 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 18:10:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vapier.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA0A833D7E7 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 18:10:54 +0000 (UTC) From: Mike Frysinger Organization: wh0rd.org To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: oldnet scripts splitting out from OpenRC Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 14:10:56 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (Linux/3.8.3; KDE/4.6.5; x86_64; ; ) References: <20130424161606.GA1607@linux1> <20130424223446.GA12947@waltdnes.org> <20130424231701.GA3133@linux1> In-Reply-To: <20130424231701.GA3133@linux1> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart80421789.YeO3papAhZ"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201304251410.57679.vapier@gentoo.org> X-Archives-Salt: 533c2548-f8fa-442b-b059-64fda846621b X-Archives-Hash: a2a4916983ccad4f3bb36969b2227a5d --nextPart80421789.YeO3papAhZ Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wednesday 24 April 2013 19:17:01 William Hubbs wrote: > On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 06:34:46PM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 02:16:51PM -0400, Rich Freeman wrote > > > Considering our default configuration ships sshd (an argument we don't > > > need to rehash here), it seems a bit silly to not ship networking > > > support by default. I'd rather not do it as part of the system set, > > > though that would be consistent with what we're doing with ssh, and it > > > is still override-able. > > > > To handle the various possible cases, maybe we need a "virtual/net" as > > part of the system set, which can be satisfied by either oldnet or > > newnet or whatever. The install ISO will have a basic working network > > stack (IPV4+IPV6). After the initial install, the admin can do > > whatever. Maybe even invoke package.provided. >=20 > This would actually be cleaner than a bogus dependency in OpenRC. > I would probably call it virtual/network-manager though. >=20 > Are there any issues with putting together a virtual like this and > adding it to @system? you've only talked about moving out "oldnet" which means "newnet" remains i= n=20 openrc. that is technically a provider of virtual/network-init and we're b= ack=20 where we started: the standard Gentoo network init scripts aren't pulled in. what providers exactly would you see live in such a virtual ? if we do choose to go the virtual route (i don't see value here), i don't=20 think the transitional phase can start there. if anything other than the=20 standard Gentoo network scripts are provided, then it means people will end= up=20 with a broken system as portage won't bother installing it. network- manager/wpa_supplicant/etc... are pretty common. =2Dmike --nextPart80421789.YeO3papAhZ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAABAgAGBQJReXGxAAoJEEFjO5/oN/WB38YP/RY2lJxYZ1awnIc8GboGJNqT /d+NOb9dd6YVcUDVfd/NzGzexJn8zvu9nj2Rx50cbs3GSUBZL1gkKx8q7++p3jV5 aXi8z+z4tTG0GkAvjTeQGnpS8gB+b9uZP6yeUtbXTeJeo/ELD1KX54psWKrTpZUv erXvZ1WDe2TsjxI/nSnxVH43mNg9434jAhleSmXuHKEBeq9evgfTrIRNRyKS4Qq1 8kNSC3mp5l4Cd4YJNAEGz0hgsHrWunXDNC8i+7ijy3mjdVQfUX1iBRbBJ+AVoZoh mbNmhOWc/BWy+plzSlgQmNxknsQdLx47ow9ipQnQ+cnVX09BxIm4Ly/8nFJMyoUO 5AzMV2kf3+gC5B3LJH3WPTioMhVkPrGGFsL2DgMFk2pZ2eroph8vFcC99QSlc8NM RWoKQElTC7wqqvA6s8XpM8QftjRsRgc47WP5dhwvhDxpYCGTzySZt1R04bE/iRdj e+9Y+V1PGKNEylsaS92NUULbL/yJ2Dyogm8dOe4vHGVhrx02rv+UcSruAXL7g+ve bsnZQvAXUl/YA5l6JNrmD5G89jFw/urtRHnm4L7UTh3E448xIAUvZreC4GW8hdvM MPLO5emftVPT+fJauD2C38vcXtnyEY7W0/Gm11KE9/ePCky42KzGbfN6LiV1tdRy 8D2+nNaaZsww54H1sK4l =p1OE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart80421789.YeO3papAhZ--