From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65DE91381F3 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 22:35:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 80F78E0A86; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 22:35:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com (ironport2-out.teksavvy.com [206.248.154.182]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 916EAE0A7C for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 22:35:14 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av4EABK/CFFMCoMy/2dsb2JhbABEvw4Xc4IeAQEEATocKAsLIRMSDwUlN4gLBsEtjWGCSGEDjX6IDoV+iHCBXoMT X-IPAS-Result: Av4EABK/CFFMCoMy/2dsb2JhbABEvw4Xc4IeAQEEATocKAsLIRMSDwUlN4gLBsEtjWGCSGEDjX6IDoV+iHCBXoMT X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,565,1355115600"; d="scan'208";a="8225758" Received: from 76-10-131-50.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO waltdnes.org) ([76.10.131.50]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2013 18:35:08 -0400 Received: by waltdnes.org (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 24 Apr 2013 18:34:46 -0400 From: "Walter Dnes" Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 18:34:46 -0400 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: oldnet scripts splitting out from OpenRC Message-ID: <20130424223446.GA12947@waltdnes.org> References: <20130424161606.GA1607@linux1> <51780F2D.7060007@gentoo.org> <20130424172323.GB2323@linux1> <201304241334.37807.vapier@gentoo.org> <20130424175407.GA2404@linux1> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Archives-Salt: e1578aab-519c-4f8f-b831-9f6cf77a77a0 X-Archives-Hash: c328cce0a3001e1bf04acdb76b2f13e6 On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 02:16:51PM -0400, Rich Freeman wrote > Considering our default configuration ships sshd (an argument we don't > need to rehash here), it seems a bit silly to not ship networking > support by default. I'd rather not do it as part of the system set, > though that would be consistent with what we're doing with ssh, and it > is still override-able. We're talking two different items here... 1) Necessary functionality for the minimal-install ISO to work 2) The installed software on a running system Item 1) is constrained by the real world... do what you have to do to create a functional install ISO Item 2) will be due to customizations done by admins for their specific needs. There's no way to predict how Joe Admin is going to integrate the various available software services. To handle the various possible cases, maybe we need a "virtual/net" as part of the system set, which can be satisfied by either oldnet or newnet or whatever. The install ISO will have a basic working network stack (IPV4+IPV6). After the initial install, the admin can do whatever. Maybe even invoke package.provided. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications