From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D535E1381F3 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 18:30:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1228AE0968; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 18:30:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ob0-f179.google.com (mail-ob0-f179.google.com [209.85.214.179]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 29559E0963 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 18:30:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ob0-f179.google.com with SMTP id oi10so1743483obb.38 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 11:30:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:sender:date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to :references:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition :in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=Te+lmVHE1dmgaJFe01a/frpBzMHs83EEoy6YOcbCkOU=; b=R05hB7YPHEflPTpG16AC6NlZwBTVirBaL/V2/nxk1AI6w4X8xjDo45hvUDGK14Xttq 1HunFxvCKYSr8Lzn5TCoHxvcaZDJ9aNs5c/KZfLDatkR9WKx+zATpZxku0Jun7vXQu3z 3qfF0eTQqX/JAtsUMM3G2ZQljZBnNeBNeVOLTYenHba0Srjx3lzjycAzC8EtXQBTgVl3 9qrVOy0Il/5bv6/qfBsKQA4Bm3lZ+VMzsTk/D0t3OsDco+ZUHQV9B72KQWTurXzV99p5 ysYhuUqEpIGbz0PdJXlhSNBnRCG3oZgL4zN3s1lhzAC4s9H+b7c6x4DD4yqSitJ/33ZV IPMA== X-Received: by 10.60.56.36 with SMTP id x4mr19054133oep.25.1366828230218; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 11:30:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from linux1 (cpe-76-187-91-128.tx.res.rr.com. [76.187.91.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id x5sm1781962oep.1.2013.04.24.11.30.26 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 24 Apr 2013 11:30:29 -0700 (PDT) Sender: William Hubbs Received: by linux1 (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 24 Apr 2013 13:30:25 -0500 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 13:30:25 -0500 From: William Hubbs To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: oldnet scripts splitting out from OpenRC Message-ID: <20130424183025.GA2477@linux1> Mail-Followup-To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org References: <20130424161606.GA1607@linux1> <51780F2D.7060007@gentoo.org> <20130424172323.GB2323@linux1> <201304241334.37807.vapier@gentoo.org> <20130424175407.GA2404@linux1> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ZPt4rx8FFjLCG7dd" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Archives-Salt: 39aab925-9999-4c4f-89ec-29ab2a83b8cb X-Archives-Hash: 38cf8acee22e5c9fd61e2471088b33a9 --ZPt4rx8FFjLCG7dd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 02:16:51PM -0400, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 1:54 PM, William Hubbs wrot= e: > > if we keep a dependency for a while, even behind something like > > IUSE=3D"+oldnet", when we drop it, people will still be hit if they do > > emerge --depclean before they emerge gentoo-oldnet. > > > > Also, (although I don't really care about this much because we tell peo= ple > > not to do it), folks who set USE=3D"-* foo bar bas" in their make.conf = would > > get hit immediately with this solution. > > > > Am I missing something? It just seems like this is putting off the > > emerge command people will need to run for a while. >=20 > It seems to me like network support needs to be some kind of default > for Gentoo. A USE default is probably one of the least intrusive ways > to do that - and we can always have an ewarn in the event both are > suppressed (those who override all USE defaults should be on the > lookout for trouble). >=20 > Considering our default configuration ships sshd (an argument we don't > need to rehash here), it seems a bit silly to not ship networking > support by default. I'd rather not do it as part of the system set, > though that would be consistent with what we're doing with ssh, and it > is still override-able. If we did this as part of @system, it would have to be a virtual imo, since there are several things in the tree that can manage networks (openrc[newnet], dhcpcd, wicd, nm, etc), but this is a topic for another thread. For OpenRC-0.12, I will put in the +oldnet use flag as suggested previously if we go ahead with the split. William --ZPt4rx8FFjLCG7dd Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlF4JMEACgkQblQW9DDEZThuzgCgt3ENL+PGjc4he/91KtpfLqmv QPUAoJzSUkq6qAAFguZIu2QcRbQkmNPN =BNCb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ZPt4rx8FFjLCG7dd--